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Westenders, I post because of my love of Negril and I am thankful there is a forum to do so. I have never been a "groupie" nor plan to be one, of Rob or anyone else and take great exception to being categorized as such because I choose to participate on this forum.
Omg, omg, flip, I'm laughing so hard at work I spit out my water!!!!!!
Pack rat, my apologies. I refer to a few not the majority to clear that up.
Your post was informative, and thank you for your that.
I for one am now very dubious and concerned about how rob protects the personal information we provide when signing up on the forum, and his integrity, or lack of.
Never have I seen an administrator act in such an unprofessional manner. To present an idea in the community that I or others who don't share his point are therefore critisizing Jamaicans or business owners there is very dangerous.
I referred to no business owners or individuals rob, but hay ho as long as you feel this proves your right!
I'll leave others to play with rob competing as to who is the most Jamaican
You're FUNNY!!!!!!!
(westenders)
Just stop already. You are being extremely obtuse, and naive (similar to the "subs" discussion a couple weeks ago).
Edit: obviously this was intended for Westenders above, not the lovely miss Tizzy...
Regular as clockwork TAH, lol
All I know is that if I were homeless and came across an obviously abandoned home or patch of land, I would be forced to take advantage of that opportunity. Pure survival. But I would also try to plan for the future. Maybe JA will resort to FEMA type camps to segregate the Have Not (yets) from the Haves.
Two generations ago Michael Manley (PM) started the concept of "capture land" ...
Before that squatting was unheard of in Jamaica.....
"The fact that you post on another website about boardies on here being caught up in negativity and causing problems in negril, is intriguing to me. A man with two faces has no integrity to me, so your personal attack would only mean something to me if it was from someone with character."
strike three, you are ouuuuuuttttt. Any negativity I have posted regarding anyone has heard it straight from me as well. So two faces need not apply.
Westender, if you come to my yard and throw a stone I will certainly throw one back.
Rob, thanks for getting the name right.
Flip, you are too funny.
Westender,Quote:
Originally Posted by Westenders
I always find it strange that some people only believe what they want to believe regardless of the facts. I created Negril.com in 1995 - 19 years ago, as a way to promote tourism for Negril! This is a tourism focused website. When you registered, you agreed to abide by the guidelines. Here is guideline #1:
"1) Since this is the Negril Message Board, we would like the topics to try and reflect Negril and Jamaica tourism. This is meant to be a rather common sense guideline."
This board's only obligation is to provide the best information possible for our visitors to make their stay in Negril and Jamaica the most fun possible. It is not a free-for-all message board - but the Negril Message Board. There are literally hundreds of thousands of other places you can post anything you want, but the Negril Message Board is not one of them.
Yes, there have been others in the past that would not abide by this simple concept and some actually demanded that it be changed. But we have been here for 19 years with these guidelines and plan to be here a lot longer. We had over half a million unique visitors to the site last year, our busiest year ever, so we are doing something right.
The way you talk about Jamaica. "I think the term of squatters is generally different in Jamaica to our countries" gives me an insight to how you see Jamaica. I see those faces of people who have to deal with living in challenging circumstances every single day. Many I consider friends. And I live by the idea that it is better to teach a man to fish so they can feed themselves for a lifetime, and not simply give them a fish for a day. One is a cure, the other is a band-aid.
And while you find my posts unethical and disgusting, I find your posts made about Red Ground on this public message board that has readers who live in Red Ground equally unethical and disgusting. You are publicly posting negative, untrue comments about an entire area - many of whom are also my friends. To not allow the residents of this area to know that someone is publicly posting these misleading comments about them would be equally unethical and disgusting.
You say my behaviour is unprofessional because you cannot "redress" the folks at Red Dragon who saw your post, yet how are you allowing them to redress your comment? Wouldnt they need to see your comment first? It is okay for you to make your comment publicly, but it is not okay for them to see it?
You talk with your husband about these residents, yet I am not allowed to speak with these residents? And what makes you think that some of the residents of Red Ground are not reading this thread? I have personally helped dozens of them get online with their computers, phones and tablets and showed them how to access the Negril Message Board here on Negril.com so they can better understand how tourists think and view their country.
This is the Negril Message Board, owned and operated by myself as well as born Jamaicans. I do not hide behind some fake name, my name is right on this post and virtually everyone in town knows me and what Negril.com is and does. In fact, my girlfriend and I cannot go anywhere in Negril without someone calling to us.
As with anything in life, not everything is perfect and there has been clashes here on the Board in the past. Some posters would try to dominate and respond to every single comment made. Some posters would continually post rumor and speculation regardless of whom they may harm by these untrue comments and others posted highly private, inappropriate and/or illegal matters that had no business being discussed in a public forum. And of course you get the cliques that form that I go out of my way to prevent as cliques by their very nature are exclusionary, making it an us vs. them mentality.
And I find it amusing that you think I have or would want to have "groupies". If you actually think that, you dont know me at all.
I did not create Negril.com nor have I spent nearly 20 years working daily on this site as a popularity contest. There is not even an "About Us" link on Negril.com that says who I am. But as a former tourist who has been given the extraordinary advantage of living full time in Jamaica for 21 years now, this allows me to see tourism from both sides. And this forum does allow me to give a voice to what many of my local Jamaican friends would like to say, but are restrained due to the risk to their jobs and livelihood.
I am always up for a face to face meeting, but out of all the times that I have heard people say that, less than 2% have ever done that. It is interesting how powerful people feel when they are anonymous on the internet. I am not anonymous - when you get to Negril, ask anyone where Rob with the internet can be found...
For the record. Rob is one of my groupies. Not the other way around.
Westender, this is a public message board, anyone can read or quote from it.
"... and my thoughts although not made clear I meant that they were cowards for choosing a small scale settlement as a quick win." Thank you for adding that (yes it sucks to have to be so specific with our words but it helps when we are).
This is almost worth the price of the admission!
:rolleyes: . . . westender, it is crazyness to argue with all of these peeps . . .
? Bathrooms ? If none right alone the river = flow into the sea ...relocation is the best option for everyone's health sake.
Gail, were they relocated? I'm hoping that is the case instead kicking them out just so they find another illegal home.Quote:
Originally Posted by gailnegril
Rob,
I need a face to face meeting, please send a plane ticket!
"I am always up for a face to face meeting, but out of all the times that I have heard people say that, less than 2% have ever done that. It is interesting how powerful people feel when they are anonymous on the internet. I am not anonymous - when you get to Negril, ask anyone where Rob with the internet can be found..."
How would you feel if you went to Negril on vacation and when you came home someone had moved into your home or built a shanty on your property when you were gone ?
LOL....In my neck of the woods, this would not be taken lightly.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggs of the week
Same here Tizzy. It would get ugly real quick.
not really analogous to the current situation though
a better analogy would be if you went away for over a decade and came back to find someone on your land. in the US, if the 'occupation' was continuous and notorious over that period, the squatters may well have a winning argument for title by adverse possession (the exact requirements vary by state statute).
I recognize the ease with which one can resort to the morally superior feeling that "I would never take that which does not belong to me and any who does this is wrong and less moral than I," but that ignores the complex history of land acquisition and ownership throughout the course of human civilization. there are no easy answers here.
captaind wrote "Two generations ago Michael Manley (PM) started the concept of "capture land" ...
That is true, Operation Grow (Growing and Reaping Our Wealth) was intended for the government to lease lands at a minimal rate or no fee to small farmers. This was designed to create work and develop small plots of land to provide income for individuals lacking education or market worthy skills. Regardless of political affiliations, it was a government attempting to help those who were struggling to provide for themselves and family. From this concept came squatting, but it was never intended to just allow individuals the right to just take over any land as they saw fit. Like many individuals in our world, "Give and inch and they'll take a mile"
Actually this has happened more than a few times in the Tampa Bay area when people were 1.) deployed, 2.) on a long term work assignment out of town/state, 3.) living in a new home waiting for the seized home to be sold, etc. Most recent publicized case was military, just last week... home trashed but volunteers came to the family's aid & fixed the place back up to liveable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggs of the week
Evicting people from capture land has happened numerous times over the years I've been going to Negril. Always plenty of notice & always plenty of uproar when eviction is done. People evicted from condos where I live occasionally trash them before they move. I've seen the results... not pretty. Usually they've been living there not paying mortgage or condo fees for a very long time. Not quite the same thing but the local version.
I know many local jams who have no family to go to .//I dont blame them if they see a piece of un-used land that they can put up some zinc for a roof and some boards for the sides so at least they have the most basic human need"SHELTER" out of the rain, cold, heat,sun..a place to lay there head..that being said they also are all well aware that at anytime the govt or owners can come along and mash up the place..in the mean time though there doing what anyone of us would do: that is to make do with what you have to work with...thats how Jams survive....(remember-Jam has NO safety for its underprivileged people-the Govt could care less) ...as far as taking over peoples physical structures..and then refusing to leave on top of that...yeah -i can see where anyone would be upset (including myself) ..As someone posted there are diff types of squatting...but i feel the ones that were moved out of Negril were the ones I stated above...a place for some shelter...Quote:
Originally Posted by goldilocks
Like its been said "walk a mile in another mans shoes".......
I dont have editing capabilites but i meant to write (loud and clear) "That Jamaica has NO safety Net " For its underprivileged..