That is a great role of Negril.com. Thank you. I hope my views can change. My mind is open. My heart is saddened. I pray that my mind will change and I can again feel safe to return to my home away from home, a place I have visited over 30 times.
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That is a great role of Negril.com. Thank you. I hope my views can change. My mind is open. My heart is saddened. I pray that my mind will change and I can again feel safe to return to my home away from home, a place I have visited over 30 times.
Maybe an undercover or former undercover cop can come in and answer this one... and Bob, I never feel emboldened to shoot...Quote:
Originally Posted by BostonBob
You are not a bad guy. Bad guys feel emboldened perhaps when they see no police. You knew what I meant Rob.
My sincere condolences to the family of the young Canadian man that died a violent death. My heartfelt sorrow escalates each and every time such a tragic crime occurs in Jamaica, be it perpetrated against a citizen or foreign visitor.
So many people have worked so hard for so long to build a Nation that people from all over the world should be able to visit in peace and safety.
Many of us on this board can sense the devastating consequences of such horrid acts of wanton violence. Many of us, I am sure worry for our Jamaican friends, be it for their livelihood and/or their safety and well being. Many of us are questioning how safe we really are when we visit our beloved Jamaica.
Godspeed to the Jamaican people in their efforts to eradicate such violent senseless crimes.
May the resolve of the Jamaican people be strong and united in their fight against such senseless acts.
(Rumor removed - please refrain from posting rumor and/or speculation) most of us here have walked the west end road at 9 pm as well so I feel I must tell this story. There is a huge police presence here as I am driving and many check points.Quote:
Originally Posted by sunray
There is too much violence every where these days.
Canadian man killed in Negril robbery
1:29 pm, Sat June 11, 2016
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A Canadian man was killed early Saturday during a robbery in West End, Negril, Westmoreland.
He has been identified as Dennis Palakai, 35, of a Toronto address.
Reports are that shortly after 3am Palakai and his girlfriend were walking to their hotel from a bar on the West End main road when men drove up on a motorcycle and grabbed the woman's handbag.
Palakai intervened and was shot. He was pronounced dead at hospital.
The woman was not hurt.
It's understood that they were repeat visitors to Jamaica.
Very sad to hear this, but if it turns out to be a robbery at least it's not a random killing. I think police presence needs to be in place to make tourists feel safe.
Cleome...if you read the entire thread here on Negril.com there are links provided with updated information. Much of the information in your news story is incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by cleome
Rob you ask where is the logic in bringing up Boston but scolding you and others for comparing Orlando terrorist act to the lawlessness of Negril. Come on. I brought up the murder rate related to an entire year in Boston. It was nothing like the Orlando comparison that you defend based on my Boston reference. You should know that and you appear not logical in your scolding of me in this regard. You asked where is the logic and I can see you may have trouble seeing it. I did not bring up the Marathon bombing.
Yes robbery is better than killing for no reason but to kill. I doubt this particular tourist was sought out. It was a random person who was robbed. We are mostly all random tourists and I would argue random targets these sad days.
I understand Lisa that no determination has been made as to motive and I appreciate your keeping the facts straight as they should be to be fair to this issue. I was simply pointing out that if robbery was identified as basis for murder then I feel no safer than if it were simply random killing. Again, I think Negril.com is doing a great service by allowing this discourse to be transparent in the spirit of bringing a resolution to what concerns so many. Thank you and prayers for the victim and his family and for bringing back Negril to the paradise place we all know it can be. My loyalty has always been with the Jamaican paradise and its people. That is why I over and over again return there rather than to somewhere else. I believe maybe this event will represent a tipping point to better security.
Just saw this nice bit of news too, hopefully it helps bring the perp to justice.
NEGRIL, Westmoreland — The police high command is offering a reward of $2 million to anyone with information leading to the arrests of the killers of 35-year-old real estate agent Andre Palakai, a Canadian visitor who was gunned down here Friday night.
~Moose
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Originally Posted by CosmicMoose
The next to last paragraph poses more questions. Seems less and less random or robbery.
Cap
I don't see how the paragraph in question has anything to do with this incident. I took that to mean that the police chief was in town interviewing/talking to families of other recent victims. Am I reading it wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by captaind & Linston
Has there been an arrest?
I almost have to laugh when i see news reports or comments describe a tourist being murdered in Jamaica as a random killing. If it was a robbery gone bad then it was not random and it could happen anywhere. All of us who have been going to Negril for years are aware of the dangers in Negril or anywhere else we live and travel to and most of us use our common sence the best we can to not put ourselves in dangerous situations. I dont want to speculate as not all the facts are in or being shared and some reports or stories say robbery wasnt a motive. We all know to well that some people do not just visit Negril and Jamaica for sunshine, reggae music, rum and ganja and some are there for more than just that and in doing so get involved with an aspect of Jamaica that the average tourist may not know about. Not saying its ok that this has happened because its not and yes it makes alot of us second guess our plans to return to Jamaica but deep down I believe that these men didnt just pull up on a motor bike and say this is the person we are going to shoot today just because we can. There is always much more to the story than just a random killing and i pray that this is the case with this story and it wasnt just a random killing because if that every starts happening in our beloved Negril the people and places we love so much will pay the ultimate price and suffer much more than they allready do.
mi live here most of da time and heard around 4-5 gunshots on Friday night around 10pm...
mi live pretty close to the scene of this incident.....it happened by the wall at Kaisers......
which is close to Ocean Edge Lane and mi live at the start of the next lane over on Pee Wee Lane aka Ella Drive....
didn't go over to the scene till 9AM Saturday morning.....and was told there were people at the scene till 3AM in da morning
mi could see da chalk round outlines on da pavement close to the wall of Kaisers........
there was a small area of blood......der was undercover police officer der keeping lurkers at bay
talkie a bit with da officer but him was from Kingston and couldn't fill mi in on the incident...
later after mi left the Police Commissioner from Kingston arrived at the scene......
not to add to the rumor mill.....mi was told by reliable resident(s) that this is what happened....
(so as not to add further to the rumor mill, Marko, I edited your post removing this misinformation. I heard several "eyewitness" versions of the same story, which had different places, times and number of people involved. Please see my latest post below with the link to the current Observer article quoting the police - Rob)
......sad mon
that is what mi know.....and elaborated enuff about the incident........
wi had this happen this Summer......and mi neighbor Cess Brown a local was shot and killed last Summer....
as well as the Out of Town pastry owner was shot and killed the Summer before dat which many on here knew from buy patties etc from him.......
this past weekend the local authorities impounded a ton of scooters and motorcycles......dunno if it was related or not......
there is a push in Westmoreland on motorcycle safety here......wearing helmets etc.....
mi just hope in the future da tourists would not take on these idiots in an incident like this.....just give dem your money.....it only money
Cool Runnings, Marko
I am "me" and not part of "we". I don't know for sure that such a thing didn't happen. I am sad to see this happened but not that surprised either. We don't know all the facts and we never probably will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irieonline
Hard to be a tourist who vacations frequently in Negril and a homicide investigator at the same time. Relax and give the police a chance to solve this crime. Personal opinions and feelings don't add much to the investigation.
When facts are known, you can trust Rob or others who live in the area will post links where you can read the results for yourself.
Here is the latest, that includes the $2 million for information that leads to an arrest:
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...-visitor_63775
For those who dont want to click on the link, here is the section Capt was referring to as well as IrieOnline:
" Up to late yesterday afternoon detectives close to the probe were still nowhere closer to the motive behind the attack. The detectives say the tourists were not robbed.
“Absolutely no effort was made to rob them,” a senior investigator close to the probe told the Jamaica Observer yesterday.
Meanwhile, Commissioner Williams, who visited Palakai’s father Saturday afternoon, gave him a commitment that the police will do everything to bring the killers to justice."
My appologies for using the word we and including you in what i believe and have edited my post so as not to offend anyone or include them in what i believe. Cheerssss
BUT if there was no attempted robbery, then doesn't this mean it was a random shooting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob
I am no where close to even considering canceling my plans, but I totally understand those that do and will. My blood family, chosen family, friends and all of Jamaica will continue to suffer until big changes are made.
There can be more reasons to a shooting than robbery or a random event. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamerican71
okay, that's true. It's sad no matter what speculation or rumor you believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bnewb
Thanks. I appreciate that but I wasn't trying to offend you either. I have lived long enough in Jamaica not to take "suss" as a fact. A good Jamaican friend of mine once said that every Jamaican wants to answer every question. He said, "Either with what he thinks, knows, what others are saying or just an answer he thinks you want to hear."Quote:
Originally Posted by Irieonline
We have to be careful not to do the same. First the police say it was an attempted robbery and then that it wasn't then Marco says his "friends" told him how it happened and that it was a robbery. There are no answers yet just questions, opinions and feelings.
There have been a couple of similar Jamaican on Jamaican killings in St. Elizabeth lately. Both were finally attributed to lottery scams in one fashion or another. Somebody always knows the truth but you have to sift through a lot of "suss" before you know exactly what that is.
Patience. It has only been a couple of days and in the US they probably would already have someone in custody. In Jamaica it may just take a "likkle longer". You know, "Soon Come".
It was a tourist so someone will eventually pay for doing this.
Jamerican71 said:
"I am no where close to even considering canceling my plans,"
Jamerican71, please consider not walking on the West End Road at night.
Stay safe.
We have had a "rash " of murders here in Fargo the last year...more then we have ever had. I am not moving out of Fargo because of it nor will I stop going to Negril because of this. Thugs cannot and should not dictate to us how we live our lives. If we choose to live our lives in a perpetual state of fear..we are giving up on our freedoms and also our enjoyment of the precious thing called life..Irie
AMEN....I find that there is a strong level of protection from this board with regards to Negril (understandable) but THE TRUTH IS THE LIGHT and everyone is entitled to their own opinion about traveling to Negril. And, we all have to admit Negril has become more dangerous over the last 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by marco
One last statement, all over the United States, the younger generation have less respect for authority and life!
Thanks for the reminder but I've never walked that road day or night and I never will. I never understood why anybody would walk that road with all the speeding cars, no safe area to walk and it being dark. Cabs are super inexpensive and well worth it to pay to get from point A to point B and every point in between.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa Georgie
well most here are considering this a robbery gone bad.....purse snatching incident that went sour......
Cool Runnings, Marko
To each their own, but it's really the best part of Negril to me. I have little use for the beach. I've got great beaches at home. The people, the sights, the sounds of the west end can really be best appreciated on foot and I love to walk. If I felt it was unsafe, it would certainly make a difference as to if and when I return.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamerican71
I appreciate Negril.com leaving this thread so we can get as much information as possible, while keeping in mind that even news stories may or may not be wholly accurate. Sure, crime happens everywhere, but at home I know when and where I need to be concerned. Only with information can we begin to know this about travel destinations. The widespread fear in the US that Jamaica is very dangerous has historically been based on too little information, not too much.
Marko,Quote:
Originally Posted by Marko
Interesting. Most of those here that I know do not consider this a robbery gone bad and agree with the police on this one. That is the only source we ALL have right now.
Why not wait and find our the TRUTH and not spread more meaningless rumors. There is no prize for the person who posts the truth first...
^LOL. True statement.
I've head both versions as the "truth"
Cap
Wonder if the father or the girlfriend have some info to contribute?
I am posting this because it contains a positive about the Negril police. A couple months ago my purse was grabbed, orchestrated by 2 men on a bike outside a store. There were security cameras, the police investigated, one man charged, judged guilty and sentenced.
To a message board or the Police? Police already have their statements and a message board I'm sure is the last thing on their mind as they deal with their loss. The speculation of facts thrown around is insulting to the family.Quote:
Originally Posted by JitterBug
Lola,
Nice to see that justice prevailed. Again, a crime on a motorbike..........
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob
well mi wouldn't have said anything but the police officer mi talked to Saturday morning insinuate it was a robbery......right or wrong with the communication thingy here mi don't know
Cool Runnings, Marko
I would go with what the cop said. He has investigated it and it sounds like a robbery.
What the cop said is that he "insinuated that" it was a robbery not that he "investigated it" himself according to Marko.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaherring
The commish said in quoted print that there was no robbery attempt.
Sooner or later the two witnesses will say something I would guess.
Until then it's all hearsay.
Cap