So...The beach looks wide and nice!!:D
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So...The beach looks wide and nice!!:D
Hi Rob. I am just guessing but she did say "when" so I think she feels it is a preliminary step to a government takeover of the ganja trade "when" it eventually becomes legal..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob
I am more questioning the logic behind the "Just saying there is always a bigger picture. A vendor is a vendor. These honest vendors are as much part of the beach as the sun and sand. 2 cents".
It is true that there is always a bigger picture. Often a thought out in advance agenda but a vendor is not always a vendor. An illegal, unlicensed vendor is a "higgler" and a legal, licensed vendor is a vendor. As good and honest as Norman and Dean seem and probably are, they are not in compliance of the law designed to regulate vendor sales and are thus "higglers". Honest, licensed vendors are a welcomed part of the beach as are the sun and sand. Until you start to eliminate illegal activities, selective enforcement of compliance laws is problematic. Stopping an obnoxious, unlicensed bracelet selling higgler but allowing an honest, unlicensed patty seller is still just selective enforcement.
Go down to Barnett Street in MoBay and try to get into a licensed, rent paying shop and not have to step over unlicensed, non paying "higglers" blocking the door area and the sidewalk. That is what eventually happens when you tacitly allow non-compliance to grow and flourish without enforcing the laws.
It will take a little time to make the licensing laws work to the general acceptance of all parties involved and some accommodations will have to be met to include some non-traditional forms of vending. In the long run it is in everyone's best interest to see this happen.
my 2 cents.
Lac...I'm not understanding what you're saying in the first sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by lacdeloo
Attachment 47535 Pic taken in January.. Hope it all works out for him...:cool:
Just saying control or even regulations have to start some where, and even though these vendors fall into the same category as Higglers, why do we paint them all with the same paint brush when their service is wanted, invited and needed. If these gentlemen are grouped with the offending higglers it just doesn't seem right. Time will tell what will unfold, but till then everyone loses, them { loss of wages } us part of the beach that we have grown to love an expect. The comment of government control just refers to the fact that when and if legalization occurs, the powers that be will want to make sure that they are in control and getting their share, but they do seem to let some fall through the cracks. now Im up to 4 cents Maybe Im so lazy I just love when food comes to me............... also you could determine the time of the day by these guys without having a wrist watch. peace !
I suppose the same argument could be used for the prostitutes and the horseback riding on the main beach which are not only illegal but can be harmful. There are many who may say they are wanted, invited and needed. Heck, everyday on the beach I see visitors on the horses so obviously they are wanted. And prostitution isn't called the world's oldest profession for nothing. But where would you draw the line?Quote:
Originally Posted by lacdeloo
If you allow food vendors like Norman and Dean to sell without licenses or inspections, what about the other higglers who are not as responsible as Norman and Dean and may be selling food items that make people sick? Common sense dictates that there needs to be some form of regulation on the vending of food items. Although I still think those HOT warning labels on HOT coffee does go a bit far... (grin)
This can be a complex issue.
I agree, maybe I dont like change...............must be getting old, nice convo .......take careQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob
Hope the clear plastic bags are picked up rather then tossed on the beach
Change is inevitable and sometimes it does suck. At one time there were hardly any places on the beach to drink or eat. In place of the bars and restraunts there were vendors who supplied a much needed service. There were vendors for everything from food, drinks, ganja, hair braiding and massages and even black coral. That was part of the old charm of negril that so many people came to love. Negril got more popular over the years and now the beach is lines with buisnesses and those vendors arent needed as they once were. The old negril visitors miss the old days and the new ones know nothing of the old days. Some new visitors dont enjoy the harrasment and the old ones just accept it for the most part. I agree vendors should be licenced and inspected and as much as i dont like change we have to just roll with it. It would be nice if they could just grandfather in some of the old vendors who have been making a living off the beach for years. I have talked to many and its amazing how much work they put into thier job and how lings some of thier days are and how long they have been doing it for
Common sense regulations and responsible enforcement protects the customers and vendors.
Aww. Husband and I bought patties from him last month. Always buy patties from him every year.
sorry friends this is why i yearn for the good old days Rob if you hear what it might cost to keep Norm on the beach perhaps we can start a go fund me page
As I said in a previous post...this has been going on for years...it's not about money it's about getting the actual license.Quote:
Originally Posted by original spanky
Norman would be too proud to beg/ask for money...he's a business man that is trying to get the law reinterpreted.
For those that didn't read all the previous posts...Norman was back on the beach almost immediately.
I can understand the laws . But if this applies to guys like Norman and the jerk pork man and does it also apply to the people that sells fresh orange juice and fruit and what about the cake lady ? I can certainly think of a lot of other reasons to not allow certain types of sales on the beach, and as far as having a physical location to operate this type of business is there really a standard followed in the majority of stands that sets them apart from the two guys that walk the beach with those tasty treats people look forward to purchasing ?
Industrious and committed vendors should look at all sharing said "physical location" with refrigeration or whatever is needed to comply with requirements. No reason to not share a home base and be legal; seems they all sell different but complimentary treats that are in demand.
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Originally Posted by njsem
nj,
The laws for food vendors applies to all food vendors. The physical location to be inspected and licensed has always been part of the laws. The food handlers license were added in the past 5 years or so.
Yes, there is and has been standards for years.
That is a great idea and Norman and I talked about this option as well. As I mentioned earlier, the business model does need to change. Food safety inspections are common sense laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carrie
Thanks … any vendor that worked a creative idea would surely have pride intact and then some. I just hope good traditions can go forth but abide for the better.
Warmth and all that jazz.
Its just good to back the underdog, and show support...................helps smooth the process.
Ahhhh...I understand what you're saying...but I don't think of Norman and Dean as underdogs...more like hardworking entrepreneurs... :oQuote:
Originally Posted by lacdeloo
Yup...always show support for these vendors...they rock!
Hardworking for sure. They get up very early and make what they sell, then travel from thier homes and walk th beach all day and then go home and take care of what needs to be done there and then do it all over again day after day for years. Its amazing when i think of how many years some beach vendors have been doing what they do to make a living. I always support them when i can and i love talking to them when they have time. There was a guy who used to walk up and down the beach with a sack over his shoulder and collect beer bottles. He always had an old ripper tshirt on and every year i gave him a new tshirt and once a nice dress shirt. Never saw him wearing the shirts i bought him, just an old ripped shirt but i know he appreciated the gifts and i always would bring him to my room and give him all the bottles on my porch.
just curious, I notice on a lot of bars that have a sign hanging out front that reads some thing like It is our intention to apply... regarding licensing of alcohol. I always find those signs amusing.
what do they actually mean?
Good question and i have always wondered that myself. Its always been my understanding that things move very slowly in jamaica and it taks a long time to get the proper license to sell alcohol so in he meantime while they are waiting they must display a sign saying they have applied or intend to apply so that they can sell alcohol. Not sure of the laws there regarding the sale of beer and alcohol and always wondered if the people who sold beer out of coolers on the beach or the beach road were breaking any laws
Norman and Dean should post something similar until this whole thing gets figured out.
A spirits license is not the same as a food vendor's license (I believe). The spirits license is more about controlling the age of consumers and taxation. The food vendor's license is more about sanitary conditions. They must have that food vendor's license to do any business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chickster
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Originally Posted by Chickster
The signs are essentially amusing and left in place because years ago tourists began taking pictures of them. Roy at Café Goa has even had one painted that says he is applying for a ganja license.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chickster
The signs are not meant to be a "temporary" permit, but are used to notify the neighbors and neighboring businesses of the INTENTION of this business to have future sales of liquor and spirits. Should anyone have an objection, they can air it at the next meeting. If there are no objections, then the license is usually granted. The signs are now left up as a tourist attraction.
The signs have no legal standing at all.
Aw man, bummer... I totally bought into this one. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob
I'm usually pretty good at picking up on these things, I knew the GOA one was a joke.
MikeyNYC,
You are not the only one who thought that, this an article in the Gleaner from 2015 talking about a crackdown in Kingston.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/n...hops-operating
More signs for the tourists to take pictures of.
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Just got back on Tuesday, and there was alot of police activity it seemed everywhere I went and it started with my ride from the airport to Negril it seemed every few miles cars were pulled over and then ours what a great start! I then saw them throughout the week at (Jungle, Alfred's, Roots, Beach, Chicken roadside) they seemed to be everywhere which wasn't a problem for me I felt safe but also curious why they are appearing more then before...? One night we went to Alfred's and they were there and you could feel the tension, no band playing a few folks sitting around the bartenders huffing, puffin and whispering customers just sitting looking around confused not much action...lol...The moment they left, out of nowhere the place was packed the band set up and it was all gud within a matter of minutes...It's a different vibe when they are around which is expected if you're up to sumting!