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Those numbers were from the CDC and were in response to a previous post that stated those types of numbers as the death rate. Go look up information for yourself. I removed my post as I am not an expert or doctor and I'm not going to explain it to people who don't understand the difference in the statistic. There are plenty of knowledgeable doctors and lots of valid information that you can find, I no longer feel the need or interest in posting on this further.
At this point we are still planning to fly down on April 11th if they allow us.
We are coming April 18th if we can fly down.Quote:
Originally Posted by czunc
Scheduled to fly April 18th till May 2nd but that's a very long way off with the speed at which things change with COVID-19. I fear all air travel from Canada will be shut down by then.
We are scheduled to fly down on the 18th also. Trying to stay positive and not cancel my plans. I also don't want to be a part of spreading this virus around the globe. Going to wait until we are closer to see what's up.
They are now looking at locking Jamaica down for 5 months. http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/l...n-jamaica-next
Rob has this posted on a thread this afternoon. You might want to rethink your plans:
https://negril.com/forum/showthread....eck-your-plans
I will have to cancel since work will make me quarantine for two weeks if I travel. I wish I did not have to!!
Face it folks. it's a world gone mad right now. Irrational toilet paper and spam hoarding, people afraid to answer their front door for fear of getting infected. Half the world is shut down and the other half soon to follow. Guess we'll just have to hunker down until the hysteria passes. Traveling anywhere right now is a risk that many do not wish to take. Not just because of the virus, but you may be stranded for weeks, if not months. I can think of a lot worse places than Negril to wait this crap out, but that could get expensive. Besides, hotels and restaurants are closing, and entertainment is limited. I suppose I could smoke dope and drink Red Stripes all day, but I can do that at home. All our travel plans are on ice until the world gets back to normal, whatever that is.
Anybody who goes to Jamaica now considering the situation and circumstances is plain out of your mind crazy!!! Nothing about this pandemic is improving but is getting worse by the day everywhere. Do yourself and everybody else a favor and stay home!!!
I just cancelled my mid April trip. I'll probably end up cancelling my July trip as well. Waiting to see how this plays out.
We are in a holding pattern to see what happens..our reach is supposed to start on June 6. I'm thinking worst case bump to 1st week in August..or just postpone to next year..
Anybody changing plans? Well, I wasn't, but my great airline -- Air Transat -- changed them for me, citing government restrictions, by beginning to cancel all flights out from 22nd onward. Yet Air Canada has flights every day beyond that. Calling AT the advice was: if you can get a seat on another airline, you should do so...but we won't cover it, and in fact we are not going to give you a refund, just a travel credit that you can use until Dec 31.
Thanks for nothing, Air Transat. I won't be traveling with you anymore.
Definitely an Air Transat issue. I agree that you should never use them again.
I was planning to go March 25th but ended up cancelling. Will try to go end of April if possible. I have a planned vacation to Grand Cayman May 31 and I am hoping it still happens.
Looks like no one goes to the island for at least the next 2 weeks after today, Saturday, March 21, 2020. Jamaica is shutting off all air and sea arrivals. Southwest airlines has canceled all flights out of Chicago. Hotels are closing in Ja .
Mi Lady and I have a June 9 reach planned with our granddaughter. I am not even sure about that.
My flight, which I could not have managed, was changed to the 25th from the 26th. Yesterday Air Canada sent me a message to say that they were cancelling the flight. The good news is that the ticket will be good for the next 22 months. I hope ot see everyone before then. Stay safe.
Seems to me Air Transat did you a favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRPhil
If you saw my post then you see that Air Canada is NOT flying either now.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRPhil
We have been going to Negril every March for 18 years. This year we had to change to a mid June vacation due to work schedules..Hoping we can go but things are not encouraging..
Got an email from the travel agency, our trip (April 11-18) was cancelled. While I hate it for us, I can't begin to imagine how much pain this is causing the citizens of Jamaica. Hopefully, I will reschedule for the near future.
I;ve been in jamaica since feb 5 and negril since 2/24. I've been pretty must self isolated long before it was called for. I was suppose to leave 5/20 but received an email from SW stating that flights will begin 5/21. I have an extension but ja is waiving any overstays under the circumstances. its pretty quiet here, the fruit has tried to eek out a living but i think she's given up. only excitement was the boat drama! I spend my days doing healthy things i would not/could not do at home like walking around the complex and swimming in the pool. I have mobility issues so am not comfortable swimming in the sea by myself. I'm enjoying the quiet and solitude...being a solo traveler, this is right up my alley. I always wanted my own deserted island.....now i have it!
where are you staying
Back when I found this forum, a mere couple weeks ago, I was supposed to arrive in late May! But due to the turn of events afterwards, I had to postpone the trip for a further, unknown, date. I could, at least, get a part of the price of the plane tickets back, but that's all. I really hope this epidemic will be over fast, let's hope it won't last longer than it did in China...
beach club
I wish that I had stayed to my original departure date.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/30/...y-for-elderly/
I'm not elderly, nor sick, nor weak (maybe bitter ;) ). The disease does not affect all equally, but the media is preying upon public fears and ignorance. Covid-19 kills an estimated 13.4% of patients 80 and older, compared to 1.25% of those in their 50s and 0.3% of those in their 40s. The vast majority recover. They should have just targeted the vulnerable for Protection.
I wish I had stayed in JA, the beach is always great!
Just the vulnerable, that is not so simple. Who's not vulnerable? Heart disease, diabetes, obesity, COPD, and high blood pressure are underlying conditions that can cause a bad outcome with this virus. That describes a huge swath of the population in North America.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRPhil
The majority of those hospitalized and infected in our county are under 50 years old. The over 60 people just die after a few days, its the younger folks who are requiring intensive medical care for days or ever weeks. Every country should have locked down there borders in February. Then we wouldn't be in this mess, AND have our borders essentially closed. We stupid 'Americans' are great at ignoring problems until they land right on our toes. We watched the situation in Italy and denied that it would be a problem.
Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — Trump in a CNBC interview.
Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you.” — Trump in a speech in Michigan.
Feb. 10: “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases — 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.” — Trump at the White House. (See our item “Will the New Coronavirus ‘Go Away’ in April?“)
Feb. 14: “There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm — historically, that has been able to kill the virus. So we don’t know yet; we’re not sure yet. But that’s around the corner.” — Trump in speaking to National Border Patrol Council members.
Feb. 23: “We have it very much under control in this country.” — Trump in speaking to reporters.
Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” — Trump in a tweet.
Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.” — Trump at a White House briefing.
Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at a press conference.
Feb. 26: “I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” — Trump at a press conference, when asked if “U.S. schools should be preparing for a coronavirus spreading.”
Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” — Trump at a White House meeting with African American leaders.
Unfortunately that isn't close to the facts. Hard to believe that 3 weeks ago lots of people on this thread alone were still planning on travelling. Question now is how much worse will it get before things start to improve? I don't think anyone has the answer but one at least slightly piece of positivity - our province has started to put out numbers of people recovered, not just infected. Yesterday they reported 8 new cases, but 7 recovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRPhil
Just saw this article todayQuote:
Originally Posted by sandman66
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ed_142867.html
"A lot of digging into various municipal data portals reveals, based on the population tested, that rates can vary from, at most, eight-tenths of a percent in New York City to two-one-hundredths of a percent in Phoenix. "
"Did you know the chances of recovery from the coronavirus are about 98%—if you catch it? "
0.008 * 0.02 = 0.00016 or 1/6250
https://www.sheknows.com/living/arti...-surprise-you/
"12. Odds of being struck by lightning — 1 in 114,195
It’s true, there aren’t a whole lot of people who get struck by lightning according to the National Safety Council — but it does happen. Just keep in mind that most people who are “struck” by lightning actually get hit from electricity traveling underground after the strike, so wear rubber-soled shoes and remember to crouch with your feet close together if a strike is possible"
I take it back, getting hit by lightning is still rarer :)
so
If you have any lust for life why would you take the chance? I am 45 and in great shape, great health. I have a great job, house, money, etc. I cancelled our annual trip to Florida this month (was there in January) and didn't think twice about it. Why risk it? Even if you are in a "low risk" category have you seen what has happened to perfectly normal people? No way I can risk that for my family, all because I want to drink Red Stripes, Appleton rum, and listen to reggae muzik on the beach. Like texting and driving--it can wait.
While very true...it's a bit of a moot point now...since Jamaica has not allowed inbound travel to the country since Mar.23rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffGong
Stay safe Everyone!!
I can't help but wonder just when Jamaica will open up and let travelers from the US back into the country? I think it will be a long time before testing in this country will get around to identifying who actually has the virus. The Jamaican Government is rightfully worried about re-igniting a viral outbreak. I personally don't see tourism opening back up until as late as the end of July. What do you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bnewb
Just wondering.
Seriously, maybe look at credible websites.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRPhil
I am far from a negative person, in fact pretty much the opposite but you might want to open your eyes a bit.
If you look at an actual reputable website (we will use Canada.ca since you are Canadian), they say approx 6-12 people are killed in a year, another 60-70 seriously injured by lightning. As of today, there have been over 17,000 confirmed cases of covid 19 in Canada in less than 2 months.
IMO you are being very flippant about a serious situation.
Minister of Tourism Edmund Bartlett says bookings are "strong" for May and June. Since there is a ban on incoming passenger flights until April 18th which will be reviewed and possibly extended for an additional 14 days, the probability for May tourism visits look bleak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Accompong
And until the virus has begun to be contained and the devastation it is causing subsides, there will be a mandatory 14 day quarantine for arriving passengers. This makes the chances for a May start up seem highly unlikely.
One possible solution for an early start up (June?) would be for the airlines to go beyond the current temperature testing and actually test each passenger using the new faster (5 minutes or less) COVID testing methods. Only negative passengers would be allowed to board. This is far from a perfect solution but it would be an investment to protect their own staff as well the passengers and the arrival country.
Unless measures like that are taken, there is no real way to even make a guess on when tourism on any kind of level as in the past will return. The self quarantining of 14 days would make for a lousy vacation and getting infected on the plane or airport sucks even more. There are no easy answers.
Jamaica is looking hard for the some 5000 passengers who came in between March 18th and the 23rd. They should all be self quarantining and are the biggest current threat to the spread of the virus in Jamaica.
If anyone knows anyone who did arrive during those dates, please have them report. They will be facing stiff penalties when they try to leave the island if not...
May or June? Who wants to get on an airplane much less a cruise ship then? In Wisconsin they are predicting the peak cases to be from April 23 to May 23, and Wisconsin has been on lockdown for weeks now. What about the states that were late to the party? October or November seems much more possible. I'll take a ventilator in Wisconsin over a ventilator in Jamaica any day.
TuffGong... I completely agree. Ja is not going through all these steps , and precautions, just to turn around and swiftly let tourists back in, anytime soon. My group, is now contemplating Thanksgiving, but I am even some what doubtful of that . Taking it day to day....
I think everyone agrees that May and June travel isn't going to be happening...except our current Minister of Tourism here in Jamaica🙄Quote:
Originally Posted by jojo p
Not travelling by November is a little disconcerting though...to me this says the world hasn't handled this pandemic correctly... ☹️
currently Jamaica is under a 8pm to 6am curfew with no timeline given....
once that ends than the country will start opening up slowly.....or soon therafter
Jamaicans are dependent on Tourism especially tourist areas like Negril....
so they need to open up the country so people aren't starving and committing suicide....
this Coronavirus is going to kill more people than the actual virus itself......true
Cool Runnings, Marko
Absolutely Marko...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marko
the economic fallout is also going to be devastating!!
since most tourist go to Jamaica and usually spend a week or so vacationing in our paradise...…
and now this Jamaican Government talk about putting people in quarantine for 14 days when arriving in Jamaica.....
defeats the purpose of going on a vacation...….and then some
so when the Jamaican Government lifts it's restrictions is when then the tourist will start arriving again....
mi crystal ball isn't working too good today so who knows when that will happen...….
so were all guessing right now...…we don't even know if places will be in business when wi return
mi know there are a lot of Jamaicans praying that things to go back to normal pretty quick...….Amen
Cool Runnings, Marko