perhaps a warning sign in lobby or posted on room doors...or mabey management can be proactive on guests bringing new aquaintances into hotel
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perhaps a warning sign in lobby or posted on room doors...or mabey management can be proactive on guests bringing new aquaintances into hotel
I agree that a hotel has the right to allow or not allow local visitors. After over 20 years of seeing the runnings first hand I also have the right to not select a hotel that has lax guest rules...There is a place for all of us regardless of which rule you support....
Here's an example from SamSara/Legends...Quote:
Originally Posted by BR Mon
18.Does Samsara & Legends allow unregistered visitors onto the property?
A.Yes! Everyone is welcome at Samsara & Legends Negril Hotels. If a registered hotel guest wishes to invite a friend who is not a registered guest at the hotel, they only have to sign the visitor in at the front desk or with the security guard. If the unregistered guest decides to spend the night at the hotel, there is an applicable fee.
If I get a passport issued in Jamaica would you ban me or allow me to stay in the same property as other tourists.
If you would like to ban people what is the criteria?
Country of issue of passport?
Birthplace
Skincolour
Accent
Amount in bank account.
If someone could define who they would like banned that would make the conversation easier.
Also are you talking about banning black Jamaicans, mixed and white or just one or two of these categories.What about Jamaicans who were born in Jamaica then moved overseas for 20 years and now come back for a holiday but still have a Jamaican passport?Shall we ban all them too?
Don't get me wrong I value security at hotels too and I do not like random people walking around who should not be there.But that is anyone regardless of who they are or where they from and if the security is good enough they will know who is doing what and where particularly at the smaller properties which I prefer to stay in.
That does not mean the properties should ban all Jamaicans that just means get a better security guard.Perhaps the next thing would be the ban of all Jamaican workers in Jamaica . I am wondering if they are not good enough for some people to have around on the same property as them enjoying the same amenities then why would you want them cooking or cleaning for you or serving you drinks.hmmmm
In this scenario regarding the original NBCC post, the friend was not a 'vacation pickup' - he WAS A REGISTERED GUEST AT THE HOTEL, along with the visitor. regardless of who this person 'really' is, as was discovered after the fact (and perhaps which the OP was blind to) - at the time when these incidents occurred, he was a paying guest. So these ideas about barring 'visitors' from hotels are not relevant to this discussion. Nor would that prevent something similar from happening, since it's VERY common for the visitor to register their so-called boyfriend/girlfriend as a hotel guest; their name is on the room.
none of these ideas being purported about barring local people from being paying guests of a hotel IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, are anywhere NEAR a solution to the issue that is being discussed. i won't even go into what i think of people want to go on vacation and keep locals out. really? if you want to insulate yourself from the people, yet you are in their country, you may as well just go to a resort at home.
Trying to "legislate" whether or not individuals hook up with, or get in relationships with, local people is not the answer. it's not a hotel's responsibility to "monitor" guests, or tell them who they can and cannot hang out with.
the ONLY solution is PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY. lock your doors. use the security bars. pay attention. behave honestly. tell the truth. if you get involved with a pros or gigolo, know what you're getting into. be an adult and act accordingly - be prepared for the possible consequences; take your lumps if s#$t happens, and don't blame the results on anything outside yourself.
for those tourists who feel it's a good idea to stay in a property where local people are not permitted; or if they like the idea of management being mommy & daddy, treating hotel guests like 5-year-old-children by "being proactive on guests bringing new aquaintances into hotel". (seriously??) - there are properties with those types of policies in place, if you feel that's the way to go.
Tic, you are the one who is making this into a black/white thing, nobody else in either thread did.
The SamSara rules make sense - anyone on property without a legitimate business purpose (from the property's perspective) would need to be signed in by a guest as the visitor of the guest, and there will be a charge if the visitor stays overnight. This of course assumes that the property can afford the significant security force required to make this happen. To reasonably enforce something like this, even the smallest property would need a minimum of 3 security staff 24 hrs/day (one at the beach side, one at the road side, and one at a desk somewhere in the middle to deal with the registration). Are you paying enough for that kind of security?
I think that business are quite good at detecting who is a customer and who is not. If they aren't, they don't last long.
To clarify, he was a registered guest. That doesn't make him a paying guest. The tourist was the paying guest who registered him as one of the occupants of the room. As MissBlue said, the registering of the Jamaican BF/GF is common. Trying to legislate who can come in & who can't might sound like a "good" idea but is totally unrealistic &, as the many comments show, is just not right or workable.
NBCC is known as being friendly & open to all. That is one of the many reasons they have a great reputation & are in demand. To discriminate against all to weed out a few bad seeds not a good policy. Signing in visitors/non-registered persons is the best any hotel can do.
yes Yvonne, i hear you - but if someone is registered, 'which one' of the guests coughed up the money, is sort of a moot point - cause if both people are registered, and the room is properly paid-for, with both occupant's names' listed, the hotel won't always necessarily know WHOSE money it is. i can use myself as an example - back in the day me and my sweetie divided our time between my hotel and his house - and although i made the booking, used my CC, and was the one who interacted with the hotel, gave them our names, etc., he indeed contributed to the costs.
I totally agree with this statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBlue
sorry wrtii I did not mean to make it into any thing just think banning Jamaicans from places in their own country is taking things a bit far.I mentioned the black white thing as I am part of a black/white couple and there are black/white Jamaicans so just wondered if it would be a blanket ban of Jamaicans of any colour or if there would be a criteria and how that could ever be reinforced.
Can anyone explain what they feel the difference is between a guest being invited on property or a guest having paid to be on property?Either way they are still on property It does not make one better than the other but having a guest be signed in is good because security know who that person is with rather than just have people with no connection at the hotel wandering the grounds and possibly getting up to no good.
I have taken Jamaican family members to holiday at a few places in Jamaica
Legends in Negril being one of those places.
I did confirm the arrangements beforehand and there were no issues at all.
I could not dream of emailing a hotel owner who may be Jamaican themselves and having a full Jamaican staff and saying :
Dear Sirs, I would like to holiday at your hotel in Jamaica but I am just enquiring as to if any Jamaican people will be there visiting or working there as I believe that all Jamaicans should all be banned.I do not wish to speak to any Jamaicans or be near any Jamaicans I think they are all robbers.Look forward to staying with you.:p
Ban Jamaicans in their own place :eek:
am i the only one feeling an undertone of Racism?
in the USA, most hotels allow paying guests to bring unregistered friends into their room -- even for romantic trysts -- trusting the paying guests' good judgement. why should Jamaica be different????
nope.Quote:
am i the only one feeling an undertone of racism?
I am a single guy, spending time in paradise. If I meet a nice girl, Jamaican or otherwise, and she wants to come back to my room...have a smoke or drink...etc...then more power to me.
Contrary to ShellyK's opinion of me, that I am some kind of virgin, lol...THIS HAS HAPPENED. I am DANGEROUS. LOL
...especially after drinking on the beach all day. haha
I think, for security purposes, over night guests should be allowed as long as they are logged in as such with the property. Heck, at many hotels/resorts in the States this is a policy. I don't think many would feel comfortable staying at a place where anyone can wonder around the property at any time of the day or night...especially at a place where families are staying. If you are not a paid customer or a registered guest, you should not be allowed on the property after a certain time.
IMO, skin color doesn't matter. I'd feel the same way if I were staying at a hotel in Des Moines, IA.
hey Brasi, is that what you mean by "all inclusive" .... ha ha
Gerry: I am in fact included with every room I rent. :o
And I have no problem signing guests in, it's a reasonable request.
< Keeps reciting to himself: I am dangerous, I am dangerous, I am dangerous LOL
just a random thought, not sure if it would do anything or not, but how about when a guest is signed in a photo of guest is taken, if no problems when the guest leaves he/she gets the photo to do what he/she wants with, if there is a problem the hotel management has a photo to give to police etc
SHe knows. She just doesn't want to face it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamerican71
I understand what you are saying, MissBlue. I just wanted to clarify that SHE was the paying guest, he was the additional registered guest. You specifically stated that he was a paying guest & I just wanted to make it clear. Yes, the room was paid for; he stayed there as a guest. In this case, the extra guest was an unemployed male. Not likely he contributed all that much. Cooking skills probably, maybe some fresh food, companionship. Actual financial contribution... doubtful.Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBlue
Bottom line... people need to use common sense & take personal responsibility. If you're an adult, act like one folks... even on vacation. I see these concepts completely ignored when people are on vacation in Negril.
Tic Toc aint making this this into a black and white thing.. People on here want "locals" not to be allowed at hotels, resorts, condos etc..... This is their country not ours.. If you don't want them at the resorts don't come to jamaica..
Yes agreed and this would be oh so impossible to enforce really as many well to do Kingstionians love to vaction in Negril, wouldst thou ban them as well as they are also JAMAICANS.Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBlue
lmao airportworker - i'm sorry but that is patently ridiculous.
-- taking mugshots of all visitors on the property - seriously?? Putting forth the concept that "all visitors are potential criminals unless proven otherwise"?? You seriously think insulting people in this manner would be a good business practice, or garner more customers for the hotel? this would be an EPIC fail.
besides which it's logsitically impractical - what hotel wants to add a whole new layer of bureaucratic tasks for staff to do, along with the extra filing and categorizing this would create for the front desk staff?
not to mention insulting & demeaning guests by implying said guest is a child who cannot be responsible for themselves and their visitors.
again - it is not the hotels' responsibility to monitor, nor legislate, who their paying guests associate with. if their policy is to permit visitors on-property, all they can do is require said visitors to sign in, for basic security purposes; imho that's just basic common-sense.
Agreed Yvonne, i understand and take your point as well.
and this too S.J. Gal (and hiya!!) -----> "This is their country not ours. If you don't want them at the resorts don't come to jamaica.. " -
1000% agree and think it bears repeating.
I'm not getting that....I think what people "on here want" is to feel safe while on vacation at their hotel/condo. Allowing unfettered access to unpaying guests or visitors does not contribute to a secure environment. If someone wants to invite someone else back to their hotel room, they should sign that person in at the front desk and then THEY are responsible for the conduct of that visitor and what transpires while that visitor is on site.Quote:
Originally Posted by south jersey gyal
Along with that make sure there is plenty of security personnel on-staff to ensure the safety of the paying customers.
It's really not very complicated.
:D I think it is a funny idea airporter mugshot at check in! could work!
Muck I think guests DO usually get signed in places .I am sure it was said the ladies friend was booked in there.
I want to be safe on my vacation too
Even having signed in guests does not make things safe though as they may not have provided all of their details or even real details tourist or Jamaican.
Personally I do not stay somewhere where people can wander in and out freely and nobody know who they are with or what they are doing there.That goes for anyone from anyplace.
Some of the big expensive all inclusives offer day passes and I am sure they do not have a disclaimer on the passes saying no Jamaicans.
What I think some of us want or mean is we want no violent people or robbers but they come in all shapes and forms and most likely would ignore the sign!All we can do is book at a place we are happy with that employs good honest staff and use the security on offer.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBlue
Its used in parts of London, Glasgow and in Amsterdam, it is only used when paying guests are signing in others for the day or night, btw you do know that in New York stills are taken from the cctv of everybody who enters at least one hotel i know of, the still is then fed through a number of databases
All passengers who board a cruise ship have a picture ID made as the board.
...or what's wrong with demanding that any guest/visitor provide proof of identification (photo ID) and then just make a photocopy?
Pretty much all establishments here have cctv in the lobby.Would not bother me.
Moral of the story is: Lock your doors and windows as you would at home and STOP scaring me already for my trip!
Think we beat this thread til the death
And~Robbers are everywhere with different passports
hmmm, knowing that it's being done surreptitiously, (while i still don't like it), - isn't quite as bad as making a public show of taking a mugshot.
either way i don't like it.
and thanks for that info Cap'n; that's just one more reason for me to dislike, and continue to not choose, cruise vacations.
it's the principle of the thing for me - Big Brother monitoring me, especially while on personal time on holiday - just does not sit well with me in any way, shape, or form.
And although i dislike it, i can understand it as, say for example, a condition of employment -- because they are paying me to be there they therefore have a right to know about and monitor who is on company property.
But on personal time, treating the majority of decent people like criminals because of the bad actions of a few, is just wrong and insulting - no matter HOW ya slice it.
As a retired ship's master I have no problem with security onboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBlue
Think we beat this thread til the death
AMEN!
don't fly into Heathrow then, within 10 mins, using the photo software i have on my computer i can have a persons info on the screen in front off me, along with details of the last 5 places traveled to and if any warrants have been issued by anybody worldwideQuote:
Originally Posted by MissBlue
cap'n i hear what you're saying - i have no problem with onboard security either; all i'm saying is that having booked the cruise using name, address, CC numbers, etc. and showing one's own ID - that should be enough security information for them to vet the customer without also taking an additional photo of each person.
oh come on airportworker - that is a totally different scenario and you know it. we all know that international airports that are highly susceptible to terrorism and criminal behavior are a different animal altogether. i'm talking about leisure time at a hotel.
Not to hijack the thread but.......Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBlue
The picture is stored in the ship's system. The card you carry is you're boarding credential, purchase credit card and room key. When the card is swiped the picture comes up on the screen and it confirms that the card is being used by the proper person.
As to the situation in Jamaica I think it's necessary to know who is using a room or restaurant.
The days when I needed no lock on my room in Negril are gone. It's still not nearly as bad up in Spring Garden but Negril is Babylon...
not well thought out to ban locals from their own country's hotels. It seems like this board is acting as judge and jury here. Sure, we know she had a friend with her. He allegedly threatened hotel staff. Things were taken. Without a witness to what happened it not possible to say what went down. I have had things stolen from me--it is a terrible violation. I also had a local boyfriend in Negril for 4 years. He had a full time job.I did not give him money. Careful please when judging things.
cap'n thanks for the info on that. i now understand that it's for the passenger's convenience, and not the same as a mugshot for visitor purposes as was suggested, to which i was responding.
and i agree negril has become babylonish, and I've become increasingly terribly sad about that. it's pretty difficult NOT to compare it to the place i fell in love with - i can tell myself to 'be here now' and enjoy it for what it is NOW - but still, i find that more and more, the bell cannot be un-rung. it hurts my heart.
for next visit am looking to adventure in other places around the island which i've never been to.
No, I'm feeling it too. Really sad when all the layers are peeled this is what we're left with. If you're a racist you have no business in Jamaica. Just my opinion.Quote:
am i the only one feeling an undertone of Racism?