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Just because Snoop is a big celebrity doesn't mean Jamaica can't influence/move him spiritually any less than many on this board has said happened/happens to them when they are in Jamaica!!! Why be so quick to judge the man....give him some time with an open mind/heart and embrace this positive move he is saying he is called to follow! Big ups to the man for an awesome awakening I say!!
Did you watch the video? He states in the beginning that he is departing from the old ways and turning a page. Have you walked a day in his flip flops?Quote:
Originally Posted by bherald
[QUOTE=lisapat;60346]leave this art to those who craft it well.....
Granted, Snoop ain't no Winston Rodney (burning spear) but it's not like the great reggae artists came out the womb having mastered crafting reggae well. I'm sure their parents endured many hours of "bad" drumming and missed chords, LOL!
I think he would have been better guided if he had approached it like NAS.
please no - NAS sucksQuote:
Originally Posted by monk
I just so happened to watch this press conference live via youtube and he indeed said it, not once but TWICE. On a side note, I would love to hear Rohan Marley's opinion on this matter because he was in the audience when Snoop "Lion" made this claim. He may not have meant it literally, but that is how it appeared while watching it first hand . I felt that he came across as somewhat ignorant in the way he made the claim of reincarnation. When I say ignorant I don't mean it in a bad way, but rather that IMO Snoop didn't take into account the seriousness of making such a claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarity
I also think that if Snoop "Lion" can get past this little speed bump and move forward in a positive direction making good music, the sky is the limit. Although his music might not seem up to par to a true fan of Jamaican music, it could have a huge impact on Jamaican music and it's acceptance the world over.
Fortunately jasper Gongzilla doesn't share your opinion lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by jasperpso
Point being nas didn't try and be anything different than what he was...and plenty rappers out there love to jafake it, jay-z, Kanye, mos def, lots...
Nas and jr gong approached their collaborations respecting each other from where they were coming from and didn't put on any airs. Snoop doesn't need to put on the name "lion" and try and rhyme in Patwa he could have done his tribute album same way plenty of artists would line up to work like that as hip hop history shows.
well who is to say art has to be done one way or another. come on people. let the artist express himself. If you don't like it, leave it. It is not for someone to say oh he should do this or that. Far worse things are being done in the world right now and Snoop Lion's thing as he speaks it is a move of positive order. If the man talks of Marley and reincarnation--why not let him speak and answer to the meaning of what he said himself. I am a Bob Marley fan from way back in the day and I don't take offense.
I for one am glad for having the opportunity to be something different than what I was, a few times. And have become a better person for it. Why hold something over a musician's head, saying this is what you are, don't try to be different. Some of my favorite musicians are those that have gone again and again outside of genre and definition. Why box and stereotype something as freeing as music, dance, painting, writing, or just being. My last two cents for now, gonna wait and see wha gwan with this guy's music and the path he chooses to trod. Why make judgement?
i get your point numbers wise - Nas has a large hip hop following - as does Snoop so i also get what your trying to say.. I saw jr gong and nas play in chicago last year - and the crowd liked Nas allot - half of the songs were without Damian, the crowd in chicago was louder for the Nas solo songs - but i could of not seen them and been happier - lol - but from what i have seen is Nas is extemely racist against whites - and that doesnt sit well with me - and maybe it influences whether i would like his music or not..Quote:
Originally Posted by monk
i definitely dont think Snoop should go hardcore and sing in patwa... but his point was he wants to make reggae - something his family can enjoy.. and this comes from a extended stay in jamaica - so i believe it is pure..
La La La hasnt won me over for artist of the year - but if he sticks with it - id like to think the lion could make a nice roar.. : )
i was in high school when doggystyle was released - that and Dre's 'the chronic' are the classic albums of hip hop. that being said - why not embrace the idea that he wants to make reggae - i will listen - so will many others - and Snoop is way past the need to impress everyone.. hes doin what he feels he should - good for him..
So is this like Lionel Ritchie doing country? J/K. Some folks seem real emotional about all of this one way or the other. I'm actually looking forward to it and to see the transformation that Snoop goes thru. A lot of people judge Snoop's character by his music, which he uses to express himself so if you did not know any better you might be a little jaded. Snoop is actually big in his community and gives back a lot to the kids. Among other things he has coached football programs as well as other activities that gets kids involved so they do not have the free time that he did as a kid to get into trouble.
no Kidding? Like what...Quote:
Originally Posted by jasperpso
listen to songs like 'testify', 'black president', or 'black republican' - you might hear what i hear..Quote:
Originally Posted by monk
i dont want to get into a debate on Nas - but this is just a reference - and i have heard other things to support my humble opinion..
Ok, I was curious and read just a few of NAS lyrics. I see what you are saying jasperpso. That was enough for me.
hey jasper you know it's funny being a dj i have a crap load of songs from lots of different artists but i rarely buy albums so a lot of their material escapes me, I'll have like 20 singles but no full albums lol. That being said I checked out those tunes and I didn't get any sense of him being racist, especially not in black president, so much as just calling some attention to some racism inherent in our system and culture, which I think anyone can plainly see and agree exists, sadly. but he's pretty explicit about his hopes for Obama and what that means for the country. besides I know he has collaborated plenty of times with white people, some of the musicians in his live band, in studio, jr. gong, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by jasperpso
a lot of argument goes into who is the best rapper of all time, and usually the list goes Biggie, (born to two Jamaican parents), with Jay-Z and Nas alternately being placed as number 2.
I hope you give him another look, I hope you will see why. His newest LP is rock solid, he had me at the inclusion of Supercat's YoMTV Raps interview on The Don when I first heard it. I'd say a lot of people have little historical background regarding hip hop, or even that it would be what we have to day if it weren't for Jamaica birthing it when Kool Herc laid the foundation of the break beat.
I like when it comes round full circle, which is why I like the Nas/Damian stuff, I like how Jr. Gong generally leaves the homophobic crap aside -except for in Welcome to Jamrock, but even then it was such a minor reference- and I think he serves to help elevate Nas's game and vice versa, anyway beyond the general misogyny I like a lot of Snoop Dog too, just wish that maybe he hadn't been so fast to try the patwa. Like Busta Rhymes, it just sort of fell a little flatter.
anyway cool shooting the shyte with you over music. i do hope you give nas another run, if you are into lyrical analysis and such rapgenius often has some good material up.
Anyone catch Snoop Dogg...er Snoop Lion's new movie "Reincarnated" on Netflix? Just watched it yesterday, fairly entertaining I thought....and I'm not even a big fan of his.
It's basically a documentery of him in Jamaica recording his raggae album and "becoming" a Rasta. Bunny Wailer shows up quite a bit as well.
I like the cd.. I got it and the DVD when they came out.. It was Better then I thought it would be.. Weird they left the la la la track off of it entirely..
I still haven't watched the DVD, but it's on my to do list.. Glad to hear u liked it