Shooting number 3...

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Originally Posted by Packrat

We are all on the same side here Gang, NEVER Foget that. We may all have different opinions and thoughts of what we think is best but the one thing we should have in common is our respect and heartfelt condolences of those who are there and dealing with the tragedies of love ones, acquaintances and neighbors. The fear going through the neighborhoods and commuters who work the West End and all of Negril, those whom have welcomed us, waited on us and befriended us, whether it was once or a hundred times. I am not a religious person but I will ask for someone to look over the loved ones, in the place in our hearts, NEGRIL

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Well said

Well said Packrat!

First and foremost my heart goes out to the families involved, secondly the entire gun debate is a joke, this isn't about guns but the moral decay of our society. I have never seen a gun shoot itself, or a knife stab somebody by itself. Accompong my question to you is what do you think about the murder capital of Chicago? If you aren't aware they have the strictest gun laws in the USA. What we need is a better society of compassionate people, people who actually care about others. We toss about the word "Respect" here on the forum a lot, but we in turn "bash" each other if we don't see their viewpoint. I'm guilty of it as well, but let's not say guns are the reason for all of this. BTW, I'm not a gun owner, a member of the NRA nor do I care to ever have a gun! I'm an owner of personal responsibility and for teaching my children right from wrong, for spanking them if they did wrong, and for loving them with praise and life. I'm 53 years old, not wealthy, fiscally conservative and socially liberal so no need to throw the term right winger at me. What I have in life I earned, never asked for a handout, hopefully I never will!

My viewpoint only!

I do not want to share this information with others I know who love Jamaica or dream about going there. That tells me something. I want them to continue with their thoughts about lovely Negtil without the fear factor. But if they were going any time soon, they would need to know. It will pass. Let us pray, especially for victims and their families and loved ones. Negril Strong.

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Originally Posted by kim&betty

Accompong, the following quote is from the same web page you sited above.

You also made the point
That is what I mean, LEGALLY carrying a gun would deter these mad youths who think they are shottas/rude boy's/bad men what have you, from continuing with impunity. They all have cell phones and know exactly where the police are when they choose their victims.
You have been going to Jamaica for almost 20 yrs longer than I have, I do respect your opinion. I also love Jamaica, and my friends are family to me, as yours are to you. Blessings to you and yours.

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Thank you kim&betty for the Blessings and same back at you. Bless.

Comparing the United States with Jamaica is not a fair comparison due to the greater population and greater land area. A more fair comparison would be comparing Jamaica to Connecticut. They are roughly the same shape and size. Jamaica has (these are all rough figures) roughly 3.5 million people and Conn. has roughly 2.7 million. Using this as a basis for comparison, Conn. has around 150 murders a year and they don't have open carry laws. Yes, you can get a permit to carry and you can get one in Jamaica as well.

Yes your "shottas/rude boy's/bad men" have guns and most regular Jamaicans don't but more guns in circulation will cause an increase in murders. Yes, some will be those bad men but many more will be innocent Jamaicans. I was in Jamaica during the turbulent '80s when the CIA was bringing in guns inside refrigerators to arm the opposition to the Manley government. That is what happens when you turn guns loose on a passionate society.

The problems in Jamaica are more systemic and culturally based. Jamaican's revere the "bad man". Witness the nicknames of "Killa" etc. that abound or the movies like "Harder they Come" etc. When I first went to Jamaica, the TVs showed John Wayne movies and war movies and the nicknames followed like "John Wayne" or "Josie Wales" etc.

It is only in the past couple of elections that political murders didn't flare up around the island. Adding guns would only add more violence period.

I respect you and your opinion but you are just plain wrong with your assumption that arming Jamaicans will put this senseless violence in check. As I have said before, this is Jamaica and they do things in their own way. We don't have to like it but we (as visitors) don't have any right to interfere either. If you are scared of murders, don't go to Jamaica or to Chicago for that matter. You have a choice not like the people who live in Jamaica who can't go affaren.

Bless Up.

@ Tanfastic...

clap! clap! clap! Here Here! :)

Not sure how or why this thread went into a debate about gun control.

We are leaving the island today and we definitely made sure to be on the beach side of the round about soon after dark. Vibe on the beach was excellent all trip. The vibe on the westend not the same

Oh Joy!! The westend is where we are staying if we go.....

everything is fine and well here on the West End...
mi live here and stayed out till 4AM last night....
there was the Dream Weekend Concert last night that mi attended......
and the concert was packed and an awesome time......
no problem getting a taxi from the beach to the West End.....
the chartered cost back was $700J's for two of us......yah mon

Cool Runnings, Marko

Fine and Well????? have you been in a cave??