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And you & the original victim STILL refuse to name the hotel you both Love so much???Quote:
Originally Posted by JahC
Screw it then,you both got what you deserved. Hey Sadiecat,,if you got robbed Again, would you still hide the name???Thanks for the non heads up/heads up.
When I get a taxi driver who rips me off I will Not tell you his name so maybe he rips you off TOO?
for 2 theifs to stay that long on the property it had to be an inside job thru the security. The resort better fire that security firm at once,. its pretty sad when the security is asleep on the job, or pretending to be asleep . I'm hoping that this resort is reading this . They will loose business if they continue with this security outfit.
Very easy to find out what the hotel is.
If someone stole your iphone, computer, purse etc from your home or car would the fact that they were caught be reported in your newspaper back home? It's just not newsworthy...unless it's a high profile case or a really slow news day...:).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Stripe
They do get caught and it appears to be more often than you think.
By law they are required to hire a licensed & bonded security company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy
[QUOTE=Bnewb;130278]If someone stole your iphone, computer, purse etc from your home or car would the fact that they were caught be reported in your newspaper back home? It's just not newsworthy...unless it's a high profile case or a really slow news day...:).
They do get caught and it appears to be more often than you think.
Obvious and so right.
Apparently some would like a daily crime and punishment update from the Carribean on their local US news.....Breaking News Crime in Our Town is at an all time low but thieves are at it again in Jamaica, Cuba and the US Virgin Islands more information after the sports weather and the traffic update.
[QUOTE=Sadiekat;130249]One clarification- I'm not 'protecting' the hotel. The fact that it happened at X resort, or Y Rooms or Zbeach makes no difference. My post is not *about* any one hotel- the point of my sharing this with you all is a PSA to everyone to remember to always lock your doors and take care for your belongings. If you focus on just one hotel, it becomes "oh, this will never happen to me because I stay at ....", instead of "crap, this happens everywhere".
I feel these are wise words from Sadiekat. We all are passionate about businesses we frequent in Jamaica. As someone who has stayed many times at Rondel (assuming that is the hotel where this happened based on comments read here) I appreciate the head's up but I also know that it can, will, and does happen at many properties - everywhere.
I propose each of us speaks to hotel management where we stay - let them know we are aware of the thefts that are reported online and that the press they receive on travel sites can greatly affect their business. As repeat customers we have some credence with management and perhaps we can impress on them the importance of taking quick and decisive actions to protect first of all their guests, but also their reputation. Maybe we can make a difference!
At home, robberies rarely happen inside hotel rooms, while the occupants are present, even if door is left ajar.... Home invasions, robberies, when the people are home are rare and dangerous..... Thiefs look for no one home.... Armed robbers entering rooms while occupants are inside is an explosive, dangerous situation... Its a crime on a whole different level.....
Given Rondel's reputation and professionalism, Rondel is now probably the safest place to stay, given this event....
Some people just thrive on other people's misfortune and want more "dirty laundry" to be aired. The same people who look for blood at an accident scene. They smell blood in the water.
Again, just my opinion.
Peace and Guidance
Instead of everyone being so squeamish and worried action should be taken by tourist against these bad types that prey on innocent victims. I'm basically a passive individual but if someone messes with my family or my stuff they'll have to suffer consequences. Instead of running and hiding in fear let's take out one or more of these thieves. I'm watching and waiting for something like this to happen to me. I can assure you the post that follow won't read like what I am reading here. I'm not preaching violence but lets face it we all want to read the post of the tourist who beat down the Jamaican thief and maybe cut off a finger or 2 of the would be criminal. I can assure you if we can instill fear into to these low life's, crimes like these would be reduced. I remember once catching a thief trying to break into my room at the beachcomber. After personally chasing him off the property because I was unable to find security in time. Their advise was I should have beat them down. Great! yeah mon, no problem. Examples have to be made and a would be thief will think twice about whose room they are entering. Better not be mine!
the criminals in these cases are armed with a blade and I'd assume quite skilled with it.... Now I'm all up for a good attempt at a beat down, but a long blade and someone quite skilled with it tilts the odds substantially....
Again, these are armed invasions with occupants present..... nasty stuff...
Some folks think we have NO idea how to survive in the planet without advice from the High Priests??? Quit diluting a robbery.
A man robs a room,he will have a Weapon.The room occupied by a single female? Guess what,the burglary just turned into something else.
You connect the dots ???Remember bnewb,,they just lost a used computer so BIG deal right? So many preachers.
Gee,so if crime is SO rare as you say then Gee? Wouldn't that be Big news in the paper? Or,maybe this is just a spin and the reality is that the Police Never catch any thieves?
Hey,,Aren't you the guy who confessed that you do NOT go to Negril?Quote:
Originally Posted by Accompong
You are a local,,you will Never get robbed and yet,you preach????
Peace & Love love love but UM don't strike the bad guy who just stole your stuff? Don't mention the hotel that lets robbers in for TWENTY minutes.....
[QUOTE=oceanbeachsky;130289] lets face it we all want to read the post of the tourist who beat down the Jamaican thief and maybe cut off a finger or 2 of the would be criminal. QUOTE]
uuumm, no, not all of us want to read that. and not all theives in Negril are Jamaican. Personally, I employ a risk management strategy which involves not bringing tempting gadgets, locking doors and windows and sometimes even rigging an alarm system. but as suzen said, when does all this "being on alert" become not worth it anymore? might as well just stay locked up at home.
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Originally Posted by Fred Stripe
Pesky bugs dis time of year.
with due respect accompong. I don't think the dirty laundry thing fits here. Being a long time Rondel fan I want to know everything that went on. I do believe that Rondel is quite livid about what happened and probably is the safest place right now, the having to have a licenced security firm on location must be something new because this was the first reach that I noticed it had been subcontracted out. I had missed last year so it had been 2 years. . We love Rondel and I think as a return customer it is a good idea to let them know our feelings about the inccident.
This is true but anything you pick up with your hand can become a weapon in self defense. Beer bottle,room lamp,etc. I know this is not what we come to Negril for but if we must continue to visit our beloved paradise we must protect ourselves from this violation or find a new destination.Quote:
Originally Posted by negril#1fan
Fred Stripe...you're smarter than that & so am I!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Stripe
If you were a cop...then you know there's always more to the story...
I simply gave the facts.
The tiefs will continue to prowl the beach hotels until an example is made of one, or several of them. Like Fredstripe said, we don't hear of tiefs being arrested for tiefing tourists.
These guys are scumbag cowards. If the cops, or some security firm, set up a sting operation and nailed a few of these disgusting pigs, and they were then publicly ostracized - like a stockade at the traffic circle - thievery would abruptly fall off. Believe me.
Don't laugh, the Jamaican police are know to publicly display criminals that they have shot and killed, its true. Jamaicans hate thieves, and know how to look after them when they are caught. There would be no public outcry against such a program.
In this thread alone we have heard of two tourists being threatened with knives by low life thieves in their rooms in the middle of the night.
Serious action is required before someone gets mutilated or killed in a robbery.
If/when that happens, the impact on tourism in Negril will be absolutely devastating.
Wake up. Someone in Negril has to get proactive on this problem.
I have stayed MANY times at this particular resort, and certainly am greatly troubled by the incident. So glad no bodily harm was done, but this event no doubt had severe psychological impact and my deepest sympathies are extended.
We all love Negril ( spoiler alert I know)
Remained silent our incident as there literally was no way to prevent it other than not being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I share it now as it relates to a broader issue of safety /security and brazen lawlessness ( ie desperation)
2 years ago, My friend , a long time traveler to Negril was leaving the csa gym in the middle of one morning. Not breaking rules, just enjoying his post workout stroll back to hotel. His crime was wearing a gold chain that was given to him by his recently passed away beloved mother. Someone came up and asked him for $10. When he politely said I didn't bring any money to the gym , he kept walking. The assailant grabbed him from behind, stripped his necklace from him, took 2 hard punches and then to thwart the defense he drew a pistol. My friend is 230 and a mountain of muscle with a smile. He is not bigger than a bullet so wisdom and the flash of a wife and kids back home kept him from snapping this guy in two or at least trying. The robber jumped in a waiting cab, ( apparently many thieves work in orchestrated teams) and made a get away. There were a couple of witnesses and so we made a trip to the police station to spend 3 hours filing a report. Everyone felt awful, as my friend has made a lot of friends and is generous with his time and money to so many. You could see the RAGE in many as they know all too well that these thieves rob more than valuables. They shake confidence and erode passion many have for Jamaica. Each incident like this has economic impact bit by bit. We resolved that cowards won't keep us away but we are two guys that can handle ourselves if pushed but absolutely not the kinds to look for or start trouble. The rumbling days are well in my rear view.
If my wife wanted to go with girlfriends, I would have serious reservations and that is sad. My only worry should be for maxed credit cards and sunburn and not her physical well being. Here I am, a lover of Negril, now more guarded and jaded based on first hand experience. That feeling is mounting with each horrible story heard here or elsewhere.
Yes it can and does happen everywhere. But Negril is where I choose to spend my time and money and frankly I am sensing these incidents are on the rise, and just wanting to think about what it is that we may be able to do to help us all quell the bad guys while promoting prosperity for our beloved place in the sun and her native people.
First step is to admit and identify the problem and know there are some people about with bad intentions. Pepper that with the good news that there are so many more of the good people bent on stopping them.
Seems in that spirit the best we can do for the economic prosperity for all is to tactfully inform any resort / business we have eliminated from consideration the reasons why. Particularly when they have become friends and favorites. Safety and security trumps ALL for me beyond price , location and amenities. If you sense or have concerns that a place falls short on that, or any other factor you weigh heavily, let them know. Bet you will see a change or others who will answer to the market.
I have no idea if this resort in this thread has had other incidents. ONE is not acceptable. It hurts those making a living down there and work honestly for their money. No way to know, but it has been speculated that for each incident like this reported as many as 1000 people will not choose Jamaica. That is tragic. We are the boots on the ground that can honestly report the pulse of concern to any and all business owners. When the money pushes the issue,change for the better should follow.
Thanks for the reporting, and all those offering tips on some ways to avoid these terrible incidents. Smart tourists are a start, the business owners and authorities have to partner in bridging the gap.
Play smart cubs.
Your Den Mother
they were subcontracted out last year.... as mentioned by others, mostly nice young guys (kids) with slight builds and a warm smile..... Personally, I want to vacation where I can leave my balcony door open while I'm in the room and feel the evening breeze.... This story and the others really tick me off, sad..... My group has had personal experience with a similar dark story along the road, a few are ruining it for many....
Not so fast there, missy! Don't make any assumptions on smartness without the facts!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bnewb
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Shaggy, Rondel has hired out night time security for @ least the last 2 years.
daytime security is the same but night time is a security company. I have spoken to Rondel and
they are interviewing 2 new companies as we speak.
well said
Wonderful to hear. That is exactly the type of thing I hoped would happen. They obviously recognize the crippling impact that something like this can and will have if unchecked.Quote:
Originally Posted by yamon
This issue has many other complicated moving parts where we all can do a little to hopefully make it better for all.
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Originally Posted by Accompong
In a very "subtle" way you guys are really trying to Suppress others in the future from speaking out about these realities. Even the original poster said she was "reluctant" right? So just let us Adults deal with it.
It's not in the papers because they Also suppress. Hey,I know,give us a first hand account of an arrest that you know of?
that good news
yeah they must have made the change right after we left
perhaps what is needed, hire armed off duty police officer. they could earn extra pay and their sole responsiblity would be property/guest protection...
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Originally Posted by KidRick
I will name names....Stayed at CoCo La Palm three times. Many guests,middle of the beach strip. Never heard of a problem. I'm naming names,,I'm a rebel.
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Originally Posted by Fred Stripe
Lol Flip... I am the Red to your Andy! Your comic relief is a true gift, friend.
Fred- mad respect to you and the boys in blue everywhere. Your points are well taken and naming names of places with excellent records are every bit as valuable as those who have fallen shy or been victimized by complacency and/or bad judgement. Makes a good blue print for others to replicate success.
Paranoia Works.
I agree, name names. As Fred said, a room invasion with a single female could quickly turn into
something else, and I would appreciate a heads up if a certain property was having problems. Twice in
a short time, I'm guessing not a coincidence.
You should run for Mayor of Negril. That is a catchy campaign slogan :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Stripe
Flip, Shawshank Redemption,, Best ... movie... ever... !!!!!!!!!!!
Jojo p.... Right on point. Indeed it is. Never turn it off when it is on. Can't do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jojo p
I'm very happy that you suffered no harm other than the loss of your items and cash. However, I still feel that the bigger responsibility here is to further the protection of other guests at the hotel you do not wish to name despite the speculation. That is protecting a building and a business over your fellow guests, and all future guests at all hotels. Imagine the following conversation back home:
1st person: Hey, I just bought a new car a couple months ago, but the d#&n thing has been back in the dealers shop more than in my garage!
2nd person: Really? What kind did you buy?
1st person: Well, I don't want to say because it might look bad for the manufacturer. But watch out for problems because they happen!!!
2nd person thinking: WTF?
Protecting a business or building over the potential suffering or loss of another human being? Neither measure up to another persons loss, or far worse potential suffering as could easily happen as described by others here, especially the single woman on a peaceful weekend adventure. The "cautionary tale" as you described it does little to help prevent the same problem in the future without information on the actual place you were staying. Until then it will remain a "cautionary tale". What would be more valuable is better information for all here so that life, limb, and property an be protected and visitors could expect a peaceful stay. That will not happen by hoping it goes away or any given property is spared embarrassment, but only at the urging of many concerned travelers who make their wishes known to all hotels. At that point we could call it an pro-active tale.
Nobody is protecting the property... Its been named over and over on this thread..... As many regulars have mentioned, this type of thing has happened far too frequently to many we know personally, its time for a solution... and the solution is not to baracade yourself in your room, not to walk down the beach after dark, not to drive your scooter on the road at night, not to leave every valuable u own at home....
I say hire an armed off duty police officer to protect guests/property at night. I say like mentioned before, u could catch these guys in a sting so easy, do it..... Let the public know when it works...
Robbing people while they are in their room, robbing people walking down the beach, robbing people walking along the road during the day, robbing people while on their scooter, all with weapons is a bunch of crap and needs a serious effort to stop it...