Canadian killed on westend friday night.

mi will state the facts as mi know dem and what mi have observed regarding this incident......
mi friends with a couple police officers here and mi probably know more than most.......

Friday morning army troops went into Redground and detained quite a few people that are people of interest in this incident.......
mi have been told they do have the two guys that were on da motorcycle in custody with da roundup dem did in Redground.....
and they do have the phone back that was robbed from the Canadian......the phone had been unlocked after it was stolen...
the people that were involved with the phone stuff have been detained too.......

overall mi would say the authorities are doing a great job here.......the streets have never been safer.....trust mi on da one....

wi have a lot fewer bikes on da road.......and things on da road are a lot quieter these days

Cool Runnings, Marko

Great news Marlo.

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mi will state the facts as mi know dem and what mi have observed regarding this incident......
mi friends with a couple police officers here and mi probably know more than most.......

Friday morning army troops went into Redground and detained quite a few people that are people of interest in this incident.......
mi have been told they do have the two guys that were on da motorcycle in custody with da roundup dem did in Redground.....
and they do have the phone back that was robbed from the Canadian......the phone had been unlocked after it was stolen...
the people that were involved with the phone stuff have been detained too.......

overall mi would say the authorities are doing a great job here.......the streets have never been safer.....trust mi on da one....

wi have a lot fewer bikes on da road.......and things on da road are a lot quieter these days

Cool Runnings, Marko

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Marko,

I am glad your personal opinion is that the police are doing a great job, but huh? I almost get the feeling that there is some contest for "who thinks they know the most" or "who posts what first". There isnt. You may know more cops than the average tourist that visits Negril, but there are those here that have known many more than you. Please stop posting what you heard, "mi have been told ", (rumors) and then passing them along as facts.

Unless you were with the army troops (called the Jamaican Defense Force or JDF by the way), then you have only heard things and have not observed anything at all regarding this statement. If you did not see the "phone" in question being taken by the police (JCF) or the JDF, the you have no observational facts. We have heard various stories going back to Monday claiming the police already had the phone in question.

We have heard numerous variations from the rumor mill regarding your "observations" during this past week, none we were able to be confirm. But that is not surprising as with any proper police investigation, they dont give out important information regarding the investigation to inquiring civilians. That would be irresponsible. Police world wide use many tactics, including misinformation to confuse the perpetrators.

It is a fact that some 600+ bikes are off the road and the authorities are doing a great job there. That has been reported in the news. But the rest of your "observations" are from what you have heard. That makes it rumor.

To all - I ask again to please stop spreading rumor and speculation. it serves no useful purpose and helps no one.

Let's keep it real folks.

If I posted every version I heard from my contacts (including several JPs) it would fill a book.

I just don't post hearsay

Cap

authorities in Kingston picked up one of the robbers dat were on the motorcycle this weekend in Kingston.....was just on the news.......everyone happy here in Negril....great news......yah mon

Cool Runnings, Marko

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authorities in Kingston picked up one of the robbers dat were on the motorcycle this weekend in Kingston.....was just on the news.......everyone happy here in Negril....great news......yah mon

Cool Runnings, Marko

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Adding link to the newspaper article online.
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/regio...-suspect_65094

Peace and Guidance

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authorities in Kingston picked up one of the robbers dat were on the motorcycle this weekend in Kingston.....was just on the news.......everyone happy here in Negril....great news......yah mon

Cool Runnings, Marko

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To clarify police information, according to the local press (Observer {linked above}, LoopNews and NewFeedOnline {both linked below}), the suspected shooter was caught in Westmoreland some time ago, not in Kingston over this past weekend. The police are not calling the suspect a robber, but the triggerman in this tragedy. There has not been an arrest, but the person being held is "strongly believed" to have committed this crime. This information was stated by the Head of the Westmoreland Police Division, Deputy Superintendent David White on Friday. It took the news sources time to confirm this news. I have not heard anything to the contrary from any other news source. These are the facts as they stand right now.

Here is the LoopNews link:

http://www.loopjamaica.com/content/s...tourist-negril

Here is the NewsFeedOnline link:

http://www.newsfeedzonline.com/local...ist-in-negril/

why is there trepidation by officials to call this a robbery gone bad? I think it is important to all future visitors to know the truth? which, as many have written, can happen anywhere. The goal is so it doesn't happen again. Knowledge is power and hopefully prevention in a case like this.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/weste...-suspect_65094

Perhaps there may be more to the story than an alleged robbery gone bad, thus the trepidation by officials to brand it as such.

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why is there trepidation by officials to call this a robbery gone bad? I think it is important to all future visitors to know the truth? which, as many have written, can happen anywhere. The goal is so it doesn't happen again. Knowledge is power and hopefully prevention in a case like this.

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Knowledge is power. Rumor and speculation are not...

Let us wait for that knowledge to be available. As the police said, they are talking to many people.

Violence typically doesn't happen in a vacuum. As has been pointed out before, some people do not just visit Negril and Jamaica for sunshine, reggae music, rum and ganja. There are certainly more nefarious activities one can get wrapped up in. That doesn't mean I believe these types of killings are justified. I just want to point out that it is highly unlikely this, or any other instance, is a random act of violence. There is almost always some sort of motive for gun violence.

wow...shame on you..this is an outrageous post based upon absolutley no facts

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wow...shame on you..this is an outrageous post based upon absolutley no facts

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Marco,

Will you list a few examples of gun violence that had no motive at all?

That would help support your comment.

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this poster said it is highly unlikely that this was a random act of of violence....., suggesting that they must have been involved in some nefarious act.....we have no idea what the motive was and to suggest that the couple was involved in some bad things is, frankly, slanderous....this is my opinion, Rob.......perhaps....we should ask the poster what his intent was, rather than putting the onus on me...and just to add, I have known a number of people who have been robbed at gun point, including my son......they were just at the wrong place at the wrong time.....doesn't take much for an armed robbery to turn into a gunshot...very surprised that your post was not directed at Kevin....there have been a few posts by you in this same thread directing posters to keep things factual...for which aI agree...just seems a bit hypocritical to not tell Kevin the same thing

Earlier post from Rob:

"Here is an update from another official news service.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/n...-killed-negril

We have been hesitant to post on this transparent thread because of the vast number of rumors that have been associated with this tragic incident. Our thoughts and prayers go out to all the victims of this tragedy.

I personally hope the Commissioner can help bring closure to this tragic incident for all."

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this poster said it is highly unlikely that this was a random act of of violence....., suggesting that they must have been involved in some nefarious act.....we have no idea what the motive was and to suggest that the couple was involved in some bad things is, frankly, slanderous....this is my opinion, Rob.......perhaps....we should ask the poster what his intent was, rather than putting the onus on me...and just to add, I have known a number of people who have been robbed at gun point, including my son......they were just at the wrong place at the wrong time.....doesn't take much for an armed robbery to turn into a gunshot...very surprised that your post was not directed at Kevin

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Marco....I did not suggest this particular instance was brought on by some nefarious act. Your example of random acts of violence has a clear motive....robbery. I think my last two sentences speak for themselves so I'll just reprint those:

I just want to point out that it is highly unlikely this, or any other instance, is a random act of violence. There is almost always some sort of motive for gun violence.

I thought my point was rather elementary.

your comment Kevin " I just want to point out that it is highly unlikely this, or any other instance, is a random act of violence. There is almost always some sort of motive for gun violence." suggests to me something "nefarious", the term you use in the earlier part of your post.....in any event, not sure the motive of your post other than to cast suspicion on the victim...just my opinion of course......and to repeat from my comment to Rob, we have been urged to post only facts and I d not see any facts in your post

Marco,

I feel for your son. I too have experienced a gun related hold up/mugging at Ohio State (just off campus) in 1980. I can relate to your son's feelings. Unless you have looked down the barrel of a gun, it is hard to explain and I am sure different for each person. For me, I did not make eye contact with the robber and gave up my wallet without a second thought. I was in college so there wasnt much money in it and other than my student ID and drivers license, my wallet or my life was an easy split second choice. But I never thought it was a motive-less incident, it was a robbery. That is a piss-poor motive, but a motive nevertheless.

Several people have made comments about this tragedy being a "robbery gone bad" when there is no proof of that. Some keep doing that even when the police do not state that as the motive. Chrispy asked directly why the police are not stating that motive. Obviously there is a disconnect for some between fact and speculation.

In your previous comment you mention Kevin's post "suggest that the couple was involved in some bad things". For one thing, it was not a couple but three people involved, and you are making the leap that Kevin was suggesting something nefarious. To me, Kevin was responding to the repeated comments about this being a "robbery gone bad" when the facts at this time do not indicate such a motive.

So for Kevin to point out that gun violence rarely is random, that may open our visitors mind to the fact there may be more to the story and that we do not know all the facts yet. Knowledge is power. Having blinders on and blindly believing speculation is not power. It is the opposite of power.

I cannot remember any gun violence here that has been purely random in nature. There has always been some motive, no matter however stupid or meaningless it may be. Since you cannot list an act of random gun violence other than robbery motives, it would seem Kevin's statement is supported by your comment.

Random acts of gun violence are extremely rare. They may even be non-existent by definition. It takes a person to knowingly pick up a loaded gun and knowingly shooting it in a way intended to harm others. The victim may be random, but the motive is not random.

Other than gun accidents, such as accidental discharge when cleaning or dropping a loaded gun or a person or child getting hold of loaded weapon without knowing it, I cannot think of a case of a random shooting at all. But that would not be considered an act of gun violence, but a unfortunate accident.

As I have stated, since there has been no arrest yet, which would necessitate a motive of one form or another, no one can state what the motive was at this point.

Lets all wait until the police make a statement backed up by official news media confirmation before making comments about the motive behind this tragic event.

I agree with the last sentence which is why I responded to Kevin for to me there were implications being made......

Marco, the comment in question was almost an exact quote made by another person in this thread. No one had any objections when it was originally posted. I think I understand why you may be objecting now but I believe your making too big of a leap in an attempt to prove a point.

Rob's understanding of my comments is correct.

If my comment came across as suggesting the Canadian victim was wrapped up in nefarious activities, that was not my intent. I was merely trying to suggest that the possible motives in these sort of crimes are numerous so there is no sense in panicking or making assumptions. If\when a motive is determined then everyone can make any necessary adjustments to avoid this from happening again.

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Jamerican71 said:

"I am no where close to even considering canceling my plans,"

Jamerican71, please consider not walking on the West End Road at night.

Stay safe.

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Pfffff. Nonsense. So, no walking after sunset? After 9p? WTH are you going on about? I've walked from HSH to MiYard and back at 3am and felt perfectly safe. Do you think Jamaicans are driving around on motorcycles taking pot shots at tourists? WTH?

RockRobster,

It is my fervent hope that you encounter no violence on your night time walks in Negril.

Stay safe,

G.

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Pfffff. Nonsense. So, no walking after sunset? After 9p? WTH are you going on about? I've walked from HSH to MiYard and back at 3am and felt perfectly safe. Do you think Jamaicans are driving around on motorcycles taking pot shots at tourists? WTH?

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RR,

Watch out for ruffians!

Br. Cap

any news on the investigation?

Marco,

No additional news as of this hour. When further information is available, you will be able to find it here.

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Pfffff. Nonsense. So, no walking after sunset? After 9p? WTH are you going on about? I've walked from HSH to MiYard and back at 3am and felt perfectly safe. Do you think Jamaicans are driving around on motorcycles taking pot shots at tourists? WTH?

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No I don't think Jamaicans are taking pot shots at tourist. I wouldn't walk on a dark, windy road with no sidewalks right here at home at night or day so I won't do it in Jamaica or any other place.

Charges have been filed against the named suspect.

http://www.newsfeedzonline.com/man-c...adian-tourist/

great news...will be interested int he specifics of the actual murder

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RR,

Watch out for ruffians!

Br. Cap

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Aye, Br. Aye....