Sausalito. Name is from the west. Oregon or Alaska. Rumour says owner now in Miami.. Gov. to remove this weekend.Quote:
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Sausalito. Name is from the west. Oregon or Alaska. Rumour says owner now in Miami.. Gov. to remove this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by captaind
Sausalito, Ca. is where it's from not the name
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We didn't see anyone working on getting it out.
Took this pic last week at Water Island, next to St. Thomas. One of the locals told me it’s been there since the hurricane seasonAttachment 54398
He had asked for hailing port,,. SausalitoQuote:
Originally Posted by rooster
Still sitting there with no work being done. A dude I talked to heard they were bringing a crane.
last week we did see a few people on the boat taking items out and getting rid of the tires . i was thinking he was the owner.
spoke to Gail . she mentioned it was going to cost about 25,000 to get it out and back to mo bay.
Todd, Spanky thanks for the updates!! Anybody else on Negril Beach have any new photos, news, updates?? Rumor had it that something was supposed to happen either today or tomorrow with a crane?? We've agreed to keep this thread going until the boat is free so who's gonna jump in with some action??
"They need a crane, not a f-----g backhoe!" - Busta One Foot; first week of February. XD
they need more than a.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob & Lois
crane.....
Nothing so far today. Sure is another beautiful day tho.
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Hey Todd, awesome photo man!! Don't know what you used for a camera but that is a great shot!! Looks like a really beautiful day on Negril Beach. Rumor had it that there was to be a crane on site this weekend according to another Jamaica Forum but I had my doubts although who knows what's really going on?? Thanks again Todd for your efforts, much appreciated!!
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Originally Posted by johng
Fantastic shot Todd
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Still nothing going on. Got a shot from the sea.
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Hate to add to the quarter backing, but they had the solution back when the excavator was there. Digging a trench for the keel and dragging her out with parasailing boat. Attempting to lift that at shore on sand is going to be a very long arduous process.
Why didn't the excavator simply try to push it free? Couldn't they have extended the bucket and pushed it into deeper water?
The excavator had to build up an island of sand to get closer to the boat, couple that with the shallow water and it was just not working.
As I see it one of the big problems here to set her free is the fact that the water is pretty shallow for quite a way out. Does anybody know how deep it needs to be to get it afloat?? Seamuis idea sounds practical?? How deep a trench and how far out are we talking?? And a parasailing boat to drag her out?? How about one of the Charter Fishing Boats like Stanley has, w/twin diesels if a real tug isn't available?? Seemingly nobody on the ground / beach is in a great hurry!! Let's keep this thread going until she's free!!
The problem here is the fixed keel. Most sail boats like that have a very heavy keel, some with concrete or even lead in them to keep the keel down. Keel facing skyward is not a good thing. Just attaching a large boat to pull, or an excavator to push will make the keel dig into the sand and then it's not going anywhere. I think they had the right idea with the barrel weights on top of the mast pulling the boat over so the keel was out of the sand. That had to cause a huge amount of stress on the mast and rigging opposite the barrels, so maybe they are waiting for a tug boat and then try that again with the barrels and rolling it so the keel is out of the sand.
@johng she likely needs 6 feet under her. The excavator needs to get close to the side the keel is on and start digging a trench perpendicular to the shore line. The sand has always seemed firm there and I know this is how other boats are freed, but it's not my $100k+ excavator
brownsd54 interesting comments!! As I have said in earlier posts it doesn't seem to me that any real strategy has been employed by anybody in the 5 or 6 weeks she has been stuck. Yes there have been a couple of small efforts but nobody really in charge of a major operation. Who knows what damages will have been caused by the time it's finally freed.
Seamuis it has been a few years since I was last in Negril but I remember the beach being shallow in that area. Six feet under her would mean quite a way out from shore?? Or do you mean trying to bring it up on the beach?
@johng What I am inferring is they dig a trench straight out to deeper water and to start that trench so that the keel slips into it, yes they need to dig it six feet down and perhaps they will not be able to dig six feet all the way out. Once upright and close to six feet divers with air hoses can agitate the sand below while the tow boat pulls.
They are cutting up a ship off the coast of Georgia, time to say game over and get out some torches/cutters. As someone else noted, what's left to salvage? Anything of value was most likely already removed and whatever's left has to be in rough shape. Start cutting it up and get it out of there. These are the times when you remember that JA is a Third World country. And don't take that the wrong way, the fact is JA has limited resources and using them to salvage some dude's boat would seem pretty low on the list. That being said, if tourism is your bread and butter you gotta spend money to make money...
anyone here ever try digging a 6ft hole in the ocean?
These are a few pics and a video people have not seen.
We arrived at Almond Tree Rooms (next to Tree House) in Negril on Jan. 21st just before sunset. I took a picture of the Tolovnana ancored off of the Palms.
We could hear the waves building all night and when we looked out early the next morning we could see the sailboat coming in. Over the next 45 minutes too an hour we watched it bounce down the shore towards the Tree House. I think it was about 8am it came to rest where it is now bouncing back and forth for a few hours till the sea calmed and the sand filled in around it.
We watched the whole thing from our yard for the next 16 days. All the cement, earth movers, backhoes. They turned it around so it was facing out. They tried to pull it with a boat, but the water is only about 3 feet deep for about 100 feet out. The keel is 7’7” and is weighted with lead (605 lbs. per sf). On the night of Feb. 4th the sea got rough again and at 5:30am the next morning the boat turned around to face the beach again. Needless to say that is where it was when we left Negril on Feb. 6th. We’ll see how long it lasts, I bet Gale is getting tired of looking at it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eBVlaFJ-ew
mjf2 thanks a million for the great photos and video!! Your write up fills in a lot of blanks too!! That was my thinking from the get go with a keel that big and the water so shallow for so far out it would be almost impossible to dig a trench very far into the sea before the excavator was submerged!! Almost seems like they need a shallow draft barge with dredging capabilities to trench out a canal in sync with a tug or other capable boat. Any idea it's worth?? Hard to tell I know as who knows what damage it has suffered so far?? Wasn't it also undergoing repairs prior to the beaching?? If Gail or anyone else is waiting on the Jamaican Government, "Soon Come Mon" Hahhaha
mjf2 - Great pic of how she got away. Look at the anchor line off the bow. Not exactly the 5 to 7x anchor scope you need to hold her in place in rough waves over sand.
We saw the excavator and at least one attempt to pull her with a boat. Did they every try popping the sails and using the wind to set her free? Seems that would provide a ton of force in the right place.
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But you're wrong. The boat looks like it is in good shape. All the rigging is still there. Sails, radar, everything is in-tacked and looks good. The hull looks sound, and in fact there is a light atop of the mast at night sound there must be a running generator.Quote:
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brownsd54, do you know the make and model of the boat and an estimate of it's value?? I know legally there must be a ton of red tape involved with filing a marine salvage claim but if she has a good financial upside might it not be an opportunity for someone or a group to take it on??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_salvageQuote:
Originally Posted by johng
No. It is very complicated. Recovering a salvage does not automatically give one 100% ownership in the vessel. Hardly. It's far from being a salvage-keepers, losers-weepers situation. If she's insured (not likely in this case) the insurance company will will pay something to the salvage company to avoid a total loss payout. In most cases a court will only allow the salvage company to be made whole, basically reimburse them for the effort and any lost revenue if they went out of their way to save the crew or property from danger. Boats wash up on public beaches in the states every so often. After a hurricane they are everywhere. In most abandonment cases the taxpayers pay to have them sliced into scrap. I don't believe that there is much of a financial upside to this wreck. Spend $25,000 to $30,000 to get her free, maybe, with a tug or crane? The woodwork on the deck is in bad shape. I'd be weary of the rigging attachments to the haul, and who knows what else is wrong at this point.
Boats wash up on public beaches in the states every so often. In most cases the taxpayers pay to have them sliced into scrap. When you're a boat land is your enemy. Whoever dropped that anchor effed up real bad.
Easier to buy a 40' fixer upper for $50K and you'd be ahead. This wreck is still there because the numbers don't work.
K A M, thanks for your thoughts and knowledge everything you posted makes a lot of sense to me. I've never owned a boat and have very limited experience on the ocean but your logic seems on the money!! Were you in Negril while this has been going on?? Have you actually seen the boat? I understand the complexity involved in the salvage laws. Does a boat owner have a "Title" for a boat or what is the document used and is there an International Clearing House where ownership is recorded??
Why would I know the make, model, and value of this boat and if I did what does that have to do with this thread. This boat has drawn lots of attention from visitors and locals alike and I think everyone whats to see this end as a happy story. All I said was this boat doesn't seem abandoned, nor does it look like a marine salvage. All the rigging is there and it looks like someone might be living on the boat. The Molly Mermaid broke anchor many many years ago and blew up on the shore by The Point Village. There it sat for a few years while discussion were tabled about who was responsible to remove her. The difference here is that the Molly Mermaid blew up on reef and rock shore line and was a salvage project from the get go.Quote:
Originally Posted by johng
The wood work looked in good shape when it came ashore (I'm a cabinetmaker). Not so much when I left 16 days later. A lot of the contents of the boat was cleaned out by owner early on.
I disagree with what Kold is saying here. All of the sails, standing rigging, radar, anchor, and other crucial gear looks intact. The only things that could have been stolen (without breaking inside, which doesn't appear to be the case) that aren't accounted for are electronics, and then only the displays. The boat looks to be in solid shape, and would certainly be worth $25k to have it hauled out to sea by a tug. But it's probably not that simple given the shallow depth, and the keel being buried. I doubt the keel itself is 7', that would make the draft something like 12', which would be crazy. The actual keel is probably 3-4' deep in the sand. Problem is you can't just hook up to the mast and pull it free, same for the deck cleats, they would just rip out. Had someone been able to weight the mast and put her on a lean prior to burying the keel, this could have been avoided. Can't do that now, as the stress would destroy the mast step.
Not sure what the solution is, but as I see it dredging is the only viable option without further damage to the vessel.
We got back from Country Country last weekend. We were told that Gail's attorneys were in contact with Jamaican authorities and advised that the government would remove the boat either via crane or tub and sell for salvage as the owner was back in England apparently having given up. This was supposed to happen by the Feb. 22. Needless to say that must also be "on island time". I was hoping to film the removal but it's still there.
There is a tug boat and an old beat up barge parked in a little cove just before Sandy Bay. Maybe waiting there until they get the clearance from the Jamaican Government or maybe waiting for a big crane. The sail boat is fully upright now which means the keel is a full 6-8' below the surface. That puppy isn't moving now. Only a big big crane on that barge is going to move it.
We were in Negril a few days after the boat came ashore. Saw some of the failed attempts to get her free. Boat registration and titling regulations vary from state to state in the US for inland vessels. Offshore boats can be registered in countries other than where you call home for tax purposes. As far as I know any legal issues with an offshore vessel are handled by the federal court system in the flagging or country where the violation occurred.Quote:
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A day or two into our trip:
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