Curious why you delete Rob instead of address. Again you delete my post with no explanation.
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Curious why you delete Rob instead of address. Again you delete my post with no explanation.
Well, booger.... Something I can agree on that you said. Except by posting this, you are trying to start a "pissing match" and I have always believed you don't get into one with a skunk. BTW, I am not calling you a skunk just using a colloquialism when the term "pissing" is used.Quote:
Originally Posted by booger
It seems that whenever someone posts a story about Jamaican matters a whole bunch of tourists have opinions. Opinions are good to have if they are informed opinions. I would venture to guess that most of the readers of this story don't know who Michael Manley was (except for a boulevard being named for him) or of how he encouraged the capture of lands.
You can go to someplace and know all about the bars, restaurants, subs, etc. and know little or nothing about Jamaican Culture or her History.
I don't speak for anyone but myself and I don't give a rat's behind if someone thinks I am not sensitive or politically correct in how I express myself.
I enjoy reading of people's experiences in Negril and offer help if asked but, frankly, I don't care about trip reports extolling drunkenness and losing one's self control on their vacation so I don't read many of them. I prefer reports about getting out of Negril and enjoying Jamaica's rich beauty and culture.
It happens from time to time that a clique of tourists develops from first reading this board and then spending time together in Negril socially. This is a good thing and helps local businesses and other readers to enjoy vicariously a new experience they might like to experience on their next trip. The only negative thing is the pack mentality that develops here that fires on all cylinders wherever one of the members of that pack sinks their teeth into a topic.
I have sat down with Rob a few times and reasoned. We don't always see "eye to eye" on everything but I Respect and consider anything he has to offer on any subject that is Jamaica related. His opinion is an "informed" opinion developed and honed by actually living in Jamaica and experiencing the culture outside of the Negril echo chamber.
We are under no illusions on what Negril.com is meant to be and although links to Jamaican matters get posted when someone stumbles upon them, not all of them are exactly what they seem to be about when you don't know the backround from a Jamaican's point of view and personal experience.
Nuff Said
Several years back I was up on the West End late at night with several Business Owners from Negril, both from the beach and cliffs. I was the ONLY tourist in the group. The discussion was wide ranging and covered all sorts of topics. On one topic I voiced my opinion and one of the Owners leaned over and said "Happy, thanks, but you are only an F*&^ing Tourist". No offense was intended or received, he was just stating a fact.
As a Tourist I am entitled to my opinion, but since I don't Live or Work in Jamaica FULL TIME, it is just an opinion. We briefly visit the resort town of Negril and get a small taste of the runnings in the resort town of Negril, but only a taste.
I've been on this board since the late 1990's and have seen many boardies come and go, some boardies get a thrill stirring things up on this board. I always question their motive. Generally it is to gain notoriety on another less followed board.
Rob, keep up the good work and don't let the Trolls get ya down.
VVHT
" generally it is to gain notoriety on another less followed board"
Ding, ding, ding !!!! You are correct sir :)
I will always reason with reasonable people...
Booger,
You have earned everything you are complaining about in spades...
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Originally Posted by Accompong
Funny, for someone who doesn't enjoy Negril or trip reports about Negril, you seem to spend a great deal of time patrolling the Negril forum...maybe one of these would be more more suited to your tastes?
http://negril.com/forum/forumdisplay...-Message-Board
http://negril.com/forum/forumdisplay...-Message-Board
http://negril.com/forum/forumdisplay...-Message-Board
or better yet.....maybe try this one?
http://negril.com/forum/forumdisplay...ing-in-Jamaica
Unless your sole purpose here is to "prove yourself"......I fail to understand your purposefully negative and condescending comments about those of us who do go to Negril and party on our vacations, because indeed we are mostly tourists. You seem to be the only one who has an issue with being a tourist.
Just trying to help
Well Booger, I was in the same place of frustration you find yourself now, and I've been on the board many years. Rob made a couple attempts to explain things to me, but I was all righteous about my view point (and many agreed with it). About 2 years into my move to Jamaica, he made one more try, and that time I ‘got it’. His final effort was one of the highest expressions of love that I have ever experienced.
Rob cares way more than most folks on this board ever will. He already knows your perspective. Until you truly want to know his and suspend your defenses, you will think you are being treated badly.
I still don’t have PM’s or editing; sometimes it is an inconvenience but it probably saves me from some trouble too.
Lola,
Nicely stated! Rob really does care!
I don't always follow Rob's advice, but then I usually end up in the deep end of the cesspool! :)
VVHT
And, will be most likely dissected later :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jojo p
Thanks TizzyATX,Quote:
Originally Posted by TizzyATX
Actually, I don't know much about you and your exploits in Negril as those are the type of reports I avoid as I mentioned earlier. I don't need to prove anything to anyone here. Yes, I do spend probably more time than I should combing through this Message Board looking for a few good reports with good pictures but since I was traveling to Jamaica before you were born and cameras were not so good, seeing pictures brings back a lot of good memories. You probably look at my writing as condescending but I prefer to just write how I feel and I don't feel at all unfavorable about your style of travel to Negril. I am happy to see you spending your money in Jamaica and helping a struggling economy. It makes things better for me when I return home as more of your and other's money finally does trickle down to Jamaicans in my hometown.
Funny you mention having an issue with being a tourist. The people in my hometown of Accompong Town often flatter me by calling me "A Jamaican" and a "Maroon". It makes me feel good about what I do and what I have experienced along the way. I spend most of my time in Jamaica helping the people and especially the children of my adopted hometown but I never lose sight of the fact that I will always be a "tourist". A "good tourist" by most people's estimation but nevertheless a "tourist". The amount of time you spend in Jamaica or the number of trips will never actually change that.
I have met a few fellow travelers that frequent these boards over the years and have some lasting friendships with a few but I am a loner by inclination and would not be a good drinking buddy (as I don't drink except a beer or two a year) or a party animal (as I have given most of that up many, many years ago).
You will probably find it frustrating to try to get me to angrily respond to your attempts at pseudo-"educating me" on how I should act and where I should do it just as much as I would find it frustrating to try to "educate" you on the Jamaica that lies beyond the party trail in Negril. All I can say is, "Party On!" Whoo! Whoo!
BTW, those Forum Links are to places that I regularly visit and many where I have lived over the years.
I earned the ability not to edit? Interesting.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob
Appreciate everyone's comments, especially the folks taking the jabs.
Some people just need to get off their High Horse, Nuff Said.
You do not have to actually live in Jamaica to have an opinion or a caring comment. If you love and feel yourself as part of the big picture { which happens to be tourism}, every opinion has merit. This forum is for alll and all opinions, no matter if trivial or just for fun. This is the essance of freedom and freedom of speech. I am now stepping off the podium. lacdeloo
This seems like a simple and entirely reasonable request to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by booger
And this is a complete non-answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob
I suppose it is preferable to the usual snarky cut and paste non-replies when someone disagrees with you.
Respect. A simple concept that is often lacking around here.
Sorry Booger that you are being crucified so to speak but thanks for taking the heat off of me.
Kikn,Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiknback
This may seem like a complete non-answer to you, but you also dont know what escalated this action. You are not privy to the private conversations that he and I have had in the past. But Booger is. To Booger, to whom my post was addressed, knows full well what unreasonable things were stated in our multiple PMs - none of which I will not post in public as they were private conversations between him and I and I respect that privacy. And he also knows full well what other unreasonable actions he took to directly cause this recourse. Conveniently enough, he is aware that I would never post the private details we discussed about this issue in a public forum. He can ask and he knows that I cannot answer without discussing our private conversations.
He was just recently down here and we saw each other at Seastar Inn. He and his wife were down for their anniversary and I hugged his wife and wished them both to have a happy anniversary. At no time did he pull me aside nor did he make any attempt to mention anything about this issue and quite frankly he didnt seem at all curious about it.
Seastar as well as many of the places he visited have my phone number. He also knows the webcast schedule and could have met up with me at any of those places.
We had hours at Seastar that night for a simple face to face and he also had days to contact me in multiple ways at multiple places. He knew the webcast schedule but made no attempt to speak to me privately, face to face, even when given the chance. He had ample means and time to spend just a few minutes to try and work this out if it truly was bothering or concerning him. A reasonable person with such a nagging grievance would do that.
But instead he chooses to post about this issue once again in public after having similar posts removed by me and my staff in the past. But this time he copies his comments knowing it would be deleted as all such have in the past, and then pasting and posting it again at 1 in the morning, knowing full well that I cannot answer without divulging our private conversations. His "entirely reasonable" request as you call it is just his latest attempt to drag this matter into a public forum which is an unreasonable thing to do. This has been going on for over a year now.
Ask yourself this, if he is truly interested in resolving this matter in a reasonable way, wouldnt reason dictate that he would have taken the time to discuss it when we met face to face during the recent opportunities? What other reason could there be not to discuss it, then to wait and post it again publicly knowing full well I will not answer it publicly?
You will find the simple answer to that question in the reply by some others in this thread.
Not everyone knows what exactly is going on behind the scenes. As with most things, there is more than meets the eye.
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Originally Posted by Rob
Rob,
As I clearly stated in my post that you deleted, why would one do a face to face when I had already attempted to handle it via PM/ numerous post that mentioned it that you completely ignored. Your beef is elementary and you need to get over it. Does one have to fly to Jamaica and have a face to face to rectify a concern? If you do not want me to have PM because you are paranoid about what I might discuss, so be it. Not being able to edit my post makes no sense. I am usually using an IPad that has a finicky keyboard and a pain in the a$$ auto correct and an edit feature would be nice. I have no other intentions...... Those that know me know my character are just as perplexed about the situation as I am. Did you and I have some heated discussions, you bet we did. The grudges you hold for as long as you hold them are pretty sad and I hope you find peace one day.
I copied my original post because I knew you would delete it. Which you did....... I also copied the PM's that you mentioned above, and every single person who has read them has the same response, some of which are friends of yours who approached me asking me what MY PROBLEM was. Your smear campaign for some folks who at one time where chummy with you is disturbing. Personally I have zero issue with you. Do yourself a favor and try to move on.
Booger,Quote:
Originally Posted by booger
Any grudge is on your part. I created, own and operate Negril.com. On Negril.com is a message board. There are functions in the software that were designed and added to assist the moderators in doing their job. Some of those features are used when necessary. There is no grudge on my part, me and my staff are just using the built in software features.
After our last private message conversation, it became quickly apparent that there is no reasoning with you. I find it astonishing that you show people that private conversation (showing it is strange in the first place) and then call it a "smear campaign" when they read it and independently come to the conclusion that you have a problem. No wonder they ask what your problem is, anyone reading it can come to that same conclusion. I had no idea you were showing it to anyone, how can you blame me for a "smear campaign" when your own actions backfire on you?
As I stated, you did copy your post because you knew full well that your post would be deleted. Why would a reasonable person post something they know will be removed? I rest my case on that one.
As for moving on, I am not going anywhere. I own and operate this site and have given you more leeway than most. Your bitterness is sad.
And to utilize another feature of the board software, this thread is closed.