Interesting perspective about moving to the Caribbean....read the counter argument also...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amanda...b_6496914.html
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Interesting perspective about moving to the Caribbean....read the counter argument also...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amanda...b_6496914.html
I could still take it all in:)- No problem here mon!~ Thanks LISA:)
I think I could handle it. We have all those things in small towns in Minnesota during the summer! Although I'm not sure I could get by without 2 day Prime shipping from Amazon.
What is retiring? I work from Jamaica when I'm resident.
But after all, I'm only 72.
Cap
Bring it on i'll take it!
Nice Cap. Way to roll.
Every day!
Great article, those are most of the reasons I want to retire in in Jamaica. Whom ever wrote that has never been to South Florida , LA or any other southern warmer parts of the U.S. .. It's almost as bad as a review I just saw ..Check out this garbage. I know opinions are just like you know what's and everyone has one but these reviews just flat out pissed me off. Some people are just better off staying home.
http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel...il-TG-C-1.html
Just got back from 2 weeks at Merrils2..Probably my 40th trip (4 times year)...Walk the beach most of the day-never have a problem with vendors...On my last Sun.there,I was laying on the beach watching how the vendors glom on to all the new people who you can tell just arrived.....Instead of just saying no thanks and just moving on,these newbies are so gullible and just don't know how to say no.The vendors are like seasoned pros and know exactly who to hit + what buttons to push. Do these people really think these guys want to be their new friends? Then they go home an whine about the aggressive vendors on a review. I was just amazed watching this interaction.....Better than any psychology course I ever took...Quote:
Originally Posted by noproblem
Bnewb’s original post referenced an article in the Huffington post.
Of the nine reasons 1 - 6 are absolutely true one way or another. Get over it! It really has it's rewards as described in the counterpoint.
8 can happen anywhere. I wouldn’t have wanted to be retired in Bay Head NJ when Sandy showed up!
From my point of view number 7 mostly doesn’t apply in Negril and seems to be written about a small Island
For Jamaica...Yes, the expats/retirees and residents of other sorts are there but to most visitors they are invisible.
I am about to leave Negril and start staying and working at Zion Hill in Spring Garden. Not that I won’t come to town on Sat at Seastar or for a webcast, or diner but I will be staying in Spring Garden and interacting with visitors only now and then.
I think most residents whether part time or full time live sort of that way.
Excepting one couple from Sheffield to whom we all owe a tip of the hat!
Just my opinion guided by experience
Cap
IMO, When we go, I get away from the tourist. I hit up da hills and just blend in. No worries up der mon!- Living there is for some people and most not. IMO. When I get some in order, Capt. I would LOVE to come up and check it out. I'm more of a hills person. If I need da beach, i'll go to a "local" beach, nothing against tourist,(like myself). But I prefer to the "local style".JMO
My advice would be to not listen to anyone living in Roatan Honduras about what it is like living in a place like Jamaica!
Here is what I think......
Peace and Guidance
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1. The heat can be unbearable.
Not when you live at 3,500’ feet above sea level with pretty much a constant cool breeze.
2. The bugs. Oh, the bugs!
I lived in South Florida and get bitten more here than at my home in Jamaica. Sand fleas?? Not in the mountains. A few mosquitoes but that is what repellent and screens are used for. Cockroaches? We just call them Palmetto bugs and that doesn’t sound so icky! Ants? Well, they just give me a chance to play Army General where I use my “shock and awe” power to contain and destroy them!
Tarantulas. They are everywhere! Well, perhaps if you live in Roatan, Honduras but I have never even seen a tarantula in Jamaica. And, I have no reason to go there to see them either!
3. The infrastructure may be lacking.
Not “may be” but “Is”. Nothing to obsess over but a constant irritant.
4. Island life is like small-town living. Everyone knows everyone and everything.
Yeah, a real negative that is, right? When I got sick last year and 10 neighbors came to dress me and carry me down to a waiting car for a ride to Black River Hospital, I only had to reflect on living in a big city and screaming “I’ve fallen and I can’t get up!” for a month before anyone noticed.
5. Acquiring things can be difficult on an island.
“Things” are sometimes not so important. I just wait until someone comes from affaren and brings it or I go back for a visit to get them. Things you really need to survive are available. You do learn to live without some “things” and go on living a happy life.
If you want to complain about the length of time between sending a letter and the person in Jamaica receiving it then don’t send it in the first place. That is what phones are for and if it has to be sent as a document, send it UPS, FED-EX etc. and then it will get there. Costly but promptly. Don’t be a cheapskate!
6. There are stray dogs and cats everywhere.
Well, this is a problem where I live. The same two dogs seem to be constantly engaged and producing 6-8 puppies at a time. Sorry to say that at some point people get tired of the barking and fighting at night and then a rat block does the trick. Cats? Well, they take care of the problem around the house by taking the cats into a ganga field to manage the rat problem. Typical. They use a problem to solve a problem and then create a bigger problem (like the mongoose!)
7. Tourists. Tourists everywhere!
Get out on the island and they are not so plentiful. I happen to live in a “touristy-type” town so we do get 3-5 a week average but like a case of indigestion, it will go away in a few hours.
8. Storms happen, and they can be gravely serious.
****ttttt happens! When not in Jamaica, I am in South Florida and since 2004 I have experienced Jeanne, Dennis, Wilma and a touch of Charley so hurricanes are survivable if you live in a concrete structure like they build in Jamaica. They even fill the cement blocks with cement!
9. Island life can be isolating.
Duh. And that is a problem? I have my Kool 97 fm, my two channels on the TV CVM and TVJ and can get a Gleaner or Star without too much difficulty. Do I care what is going on around the world? Not too much. After 90 days in Jamaica, the world looks about a screwed up as when I left it in the first place.
If you've read all these reasons and think that island life sounds horrible, you most certainly should not move to the Caribbean. Take a vacation and then go back.
Think about healthcare. It gets more important as you age.
Here is an alternative take by someone who does live here. And the Jamaican owned cook shop we ate at last night would be surprised that some people dont think they are Jamaican. As would Shields, Travellers, Errols, Ansell's, Bar-B-Barn, Roots, Firefly, Sun Beach, Fun Holiday, Rooms, Beaches, Sandals, Couples, Red Dragon, Jah B's, Canoe, Seastar, MXIII, Erika's, Oasis, Jenny's, Tayon's, MiYard, Sunset After Dark, Chicken Lavish, Jay's Hideaway, Swordfish, Natural Mystic, Sandra's, Spyda's, HiLo, L&M, No Limit, PeeWee's, Gas, Bankmark, Lighthouse Inn and Dr. Quality's just to name a handful. All are Jamaican owned.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilwaukeeMike
There are substantially more Jamaican owned businesses in Negril than non-Jamaican owned. I know this because after 20+ years running a business here you tend to meet all the business owners. Even Negril.com is Jamaican owned. And T-Water was Jamaican owned by the Segree family. It got its name before it was built because the owners young daughter always asked to go play in the "t water" having an issue with the word "sea".
Jamaicans swim in the sea (the Caribbean is considered a sea, not an ocean) on the holidays. During the Christmas/New Years holiday they were playing in the sea everyday. And when they come to Negril on vacation, you will find them swimming. Many folks in Negril now have jobs or attend school so they no longer have the free time to play in the sea. Negril is transforming from the sparsely populated fishing village it was 50 years ago into a prospering resort town. There are hundreds of Jamaican owned businesses that keep the locals employed.
The health care is not the same as the US or Canada, but the same can also be said that the healthcare in the US is not the same as Canada's. I live with the realities of the healthcare every day and while not the same as North American, you can receive excellent healthcare on the island. You learn how and where to go when necessary. It is not the same, but that does not make it bad, just different. Even if you have serious medical issues there are places you can retire safely in Jamaica.
And Negril is every bit Jamaican as is Kingston, Porus, Black River, Ocho Rios, Accompong, Mandeville, Santa Cruz, Montego Bay or Sheffield. Those born in Negril are Jamaican citizens every bit as much as a Jamaican born anywhere on the island. Negril is different than say Kingston, but that doesnt make it any less Jamaican. If I said Iowa is not really USA living, New York City is the real USA, how much sense would that make? Both are equally American.
When I first visited the island in the mid 80's (about the same time Capt D was leaving the island), there are places I visited then that I can still visit today. Red Dragon, Erika's, Archway and Rainbow Arch were places I went then and can go today.
To me , the article was meant to be somewhat tongue in cheek - reading the author's own "rebuttal" demonstrates this. Sitting in a bar 7 days a week 52 weeks a year is no way to live or retire, I agree. If you would not retire like that in your own country, why would you do it here?
I found the article humorous.
I understand your point(s). In fact I debated deleted my response. OK. I changed my post but did caution healthcare needs. Peace
Good thread though!
Why are so many Jamaicans trying to get to the US? Many Jamaicans with any sort of wealth have a home in Florida and retire there when they can. Returnees from abroad face being robbed and killed. Their homes have bars on every window and door. Many returnees go from the airport to a resort where they stay a few days so that they cannot be easily followed by thugs from the airport to their home. I'm fairly certain that there are many Jamaicans that would agree to exchange homes with those Americans that want to retire to Jamaica. I suggest that those of you that want to live permanently on the island take a visit to Cornwall Hospital so as to see what sort of healthcare that they will receive. I was,myself, an unfortunate patient that hospital. Just recently my good friend died there after suffering an affliction that should have been quickly diagnosed and treated. Another friend's teenage daughter died a painful death from appendicitis after going home alone from a local clinic where her father had been assured that she just had indigestion. Her father had gone on to his job. Still another friend had to move from his home after a women was chased into his living room and shot to death. He was terrified that the killers would return to wipe out any witnesses. Jamaica is a great place to visit but few of you would enjoy living permanently on the island.
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Originally Posted by negrilsand
Well ain't you a ray of sunshine.
Cap
I do not agree with any of the negative views of Ja. I would love to move there but I'd miss my family and friends at home. So I'm good to visit whenever I can.
If all of what you are saying is true, why are there any returnees in the first place? Some of my best friends are returnees and their stories are quite different.Quote:
Originally Posted by negrilsand
Going to a resort first is an interesting twist since returnees can be identified by the amount of luggage being brought in, otherwise they look like anyone else arriving. If they are being followed, there is more to the story.
What is the issue with bars and gates? As technology improves they will be replaced by alarm systems that are so popular in North America. Also, you can find those same bars and gates in the US. I have seen them in many States. Jamaica did not invent them.
Sorry to hear about your good friend at Cornwall, to lose anyone is tragic. But we have also had a good friend receive care that saved her life in an emergency. At Cornwall. She is thankful for the doctor and her favorite nurse. And to point out the obvious, you are here to discuss Cornwall. They must have done something right.
I have been misdiagnosed, but it occurred at Riverside in Columbus, Ohio. I suppose people should avoid moving to Ohio now.
And how does some woman run into a guy's living room with all those bars and gates on every door and window? Once again, there seems to be more to this story.
I guess I have just been lucky the last 20 some years...
Rob you sure have been lucky the last 20 years, real lucky my friend.
Jamb
"Well, this is a problem where I live. The same two dogs seem to be constantly engaged and producing 6-8 puppies at a time. Sorry to say that at some point people get tired of the barking and fighting at night and then a rat block does the trick. Cats? Well, they take care of the problem around the house by taking the cats into a ganga field to manage the rat problem. Typical. They use a problem to solve a problem and then create a bigger problem (like the mongoose!)"
A rat block? SMH
No way in hell I would move to Jamaica to live. Many more affordable options in this world with less #####
I find it odd you say that Jamaicans with any kind of wealth have a home in Fla and retire there where they can. I just read a wonderful article on beautiful, and I mean beautiful by any Canadian or American standard, but aside lovely three story sprawling homes being built in Jamaica by Jamaicans. it stated that they may never actually live in them as they build them year by yer as money allows in the hopes and dreams of returning one day home to retire. Oh, and it was written by a Jamaican. Will look for the ink and post. When I read it I thought to myself, that explains a lot about the homes you see year after year being built, slowly but apparently mortgage free!! We could all learn a little something here!!Quote:
Originally Posted by negrilsand
I cannot attest to your hospital experience, but when down there 30 years ago was with a good friend who was possibly suffering a miscarriage in Negril, and will be marrying off that beautiful full term baby girl this coming May. As quiet and primitive as Negril was, she received top notch care, and we had little money. It was not about the money, thank God.
I am sorry you did not have such a positive outcome.
Well, there you go. I'm pointing out that life is tough for the average Jamaican. There is not anymore to the story. I have been spending a lot of time in Jamaica for the last 35 years. Naive Americans in particular can come to the island with their US passport, return tickets and stay while. Very few live on the economy as a working class Jamaican does. I am just pointing out reality. My examples are just a few of the dozens that I can point out. Live your fantasy if you can. More power to you. Even longer time settlers eventually throw in the towel and leave. I have seen them come and make large investments only to leave after a few months. Those of us that have the funds usually get our healthcare at private clinics or go to Florida. Check where the politicians go when they need healthcare. Violent crime is a major problem in Jamaica. I personally have known several people who were shot or hacked to death.The friend that experienced the murder in his front room is a gentle soul who was widowed years ago and is raising two teenage daughters. Some people are too poor to have adequate bars and gates and one can not keep everything locked up all the time.It is common knowledge that many returnees go first to a resort. Even in relatively safe places such as Manchester, returnees have been murdered. I love Jamaica and stay on the island several months a year but I would never retire here. What I am saying and more is indeed true. I must also wonder how much some people actually know about Jamaica if they are not familiar with the housing schemes and the government programs that allow for mortgages. Indeed, those using the scheme, usually build the ground floor and leave the rebar exposed so that they can later add more space. These homes while solid are not so beautiful and are not mortgage free. My friends live in these homes but would leave tomorrow for the US if they could. All their grown children have left the island. Those mansions that you see, many of them empty or unfinished, often belong to a don who is either dead or in prison. The well tended ones often belong to a wealthy person off the island. I know of hardly anyone that has not been broken into and robbed. And forget about air conditioning and nice appliances. Just stating facts.
With that knowledge, looks like I can rest a little easier for a long time to come. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by booger
Hell, I'm down for Jamaica for the long run!!
Life is difficult everywhere!! My feeling is you have to be happy with where you live / choose to retire , JA, USA, Canada, Europe. Everybody's point of view on this thread is valid, no right or wrong. Look at world events it seems that one is very lucky to find a place that offers all that they want or need, forget about 100% safety and security. Human nature is worldwide, no escaping that other than a "Deserted Island".
I dont see anyone arguing, other than you, that life for the average Jamaican is tough. There is really not any more to that story. Everyone knows that. It is your other observations made by only visiting the island that demonstrates that there is more to many of the things you call "reality".Quote:
Originally Posted by negrilsand
The reality is that I am from the US, moved here over 20 years, earn Jamaican wages, pay Jamaican taxes, have mostly Jamaican friends, use the Jamaican medical system and live IN the Jamaican system. I am not being told about it, or reading it from some second or third hand source, but knowing it because it is in my face each and every day. And I like it that way.
Fantasy. Interesting word, but let's talk about the reality of that violent crime you mention. Kingston was 26th on the list of murders per 100,000 in 2014. And that has to take into account the "inadequate" healthcare you propose. People who would be saved in the North American hospitals dont have that advantage here because of the state of the healthcare here. Yet, St. Louis came in as the 18th most murderous cities, Detroit at 22 and New Orleans just behind Jamaica at 28th. So two American cities had more murders per 100,000 than Kingston, with New Orleans coming in a close. And that is with all the superior healthcare that is so lacking here, since even Jamaican politicians go to the US to seek their care. So people are murdered everywhere, especially in St. Louis, Detroit and New Orleans.
Speaking of US healthcare, a friend of mine and Jamaican politician recently was referred by his regular doctor in Kingston to a specialist in the US for his back problems. The Honourable Roger Clarke had been given the "all clear" by the American specialist to travel back to Jamaica after his recuperation. He was in a Florida Airport and had a heart attack, and was rushed to a nearby hospital. He died there. In the American hospital. I guess Jamaicans should avoid US hospitals now since they cannot adequately treat our politicians.
I have many returnee friends, even in Manchester, and their stories follow more along the line of this returnee:
"I have spent the last 17 years of my life working towards the American dream. By society’s standards, both here and there, many would say that my husband and I have achieved it. The high profile careers with six figures coming in, the large single-family house, the cars, all tied in a bow for the family of 5 (3 children).
Having now slumbered my way into dreamland, I find that I have awoken to the American nightmare many of us who took the same path that I did have come to know. "
http://transitionsunshine.info/2009/...g-home-shares/
And this one:
"I decided about 6 years ago that I had to find a way to come back home, come hell or high water. I felt that if I stayed in Canada my life would just get lonelier and lonelier as the years went by.
I have now been back 4 ½ years and I have no major complaints. At first I was angry, because I had to start over from scratch to build a business, and I had already gone through that in Canada.
Building my business in Jamaica was much easier than building one in Canada. It is much easier to network here, and I found when I went to one person to let them know what I was doing, that person would point me in the direction of others who would be interested in my business."
http://transitionsunshine.info/2008/...me-to-jamaica/
It doesnt seem that your notion that returnees go to resorts first is common knowledge is all that common. More like something that a Jamaican told you to see if you would believe that nonsense. Jamaicans have a wicked sense of humor.
I find your comments on the housing schemes and unfinished houses equally amusing. Why would a visitor to the island need to know anything about the government programs? I have seen schemes such as Orange Bay and Whitehall grow up right before my eyes. Phase I at Orange Bay is incredible! But I live here as a "longer time settler" as you call it.
And dons who are dead or in jail leaving their mansions unfinished? Someone is having a good laugh at your expense on that one. Didnt it occur to you that even dons have family and friends who would finish the work if the money was available, which it would be even to a dead don? Those structures are for the most part built little by little, with NO MORTGAGE on family land and can take decades to finish. That is the reality, not some don induced joke.
I have to take what someone writes by the beliefs the person holds. To quote you "Watch your valuables where ever you stay. I love Jamaica and Jamaicans , but they will steal whatever is not nailed down. "
http://negril.com/forum/showthread.p...961#post146961
Well said ...thanks for being " the voice of reason "on a cloudly issue ..Quote:
Originally Posted by johng
Do, I feel it would be wise choice for me to retire in Ja.????
No
But, I wish those who have ... a long healthy & happy life
This post started quite the conversations! It is gripping! Keep it coming people! Retirement is something most of us think about, dream about. To reach the point of "not a care in the world" is wonderful. I know my Dad is at this point. 84 years old, but is losing a few marbles.... When I come down to Negril, that's where my mind is, actually my mind is emptied out. Almost total PEACE! Really don't need to get drunk or other substances either. Don't want to get sappy, but hey I'm being upfront how I feel. I'm being reflective right now, bear with me. We will be coming down to our "happy" place the end of Feb. It is our number 13 trip. As far as retiring in Negril....? sounds good...but gotta face reality, ain't gonna happen. But, sure could see in our later years of 2 months of staying somewhere there during the cold months of delightful Minnesota. {sarcasm...grin}. We'll see... life goes on, still gotta deal with the kid living in our basement. Thought we were going to be empty-nesters??? Bye. Oh , wait, here's something that I'm reminded of. Remember the Andy Griffith show? The episode, where Howard Sprague retired, and wanted to move to a island, and live on a beach somewhere? It just didn't work out for Howard, but then again, I don't think he really "got it".. Bye, johng, I liked your post.
Now look at what you have gone and done johng by being " the voice of reason" this thread has dried up. Your point is right on.
When I first started staying for months at a time in Jamaica, a wise friend told me to continue treating each reach as a visitor on vacation and not to get too tied down to a location or property with the intent of living there. Over the years, I have lived for multiple months in Seaview Gardens in Kingston, Billy's Bay and Frenchmans in Treasure Beach, Port Maria in St. Anns and now in Accompong Town in St. Elizabeth.
I loved each of those locations for a variety of reasons but didn't lay down permanent roots in any of them except now in Accompong Town.
The reality of living in Jamaica is different for everyone but, I would bet, not very easy for anyone unless you have unlimited patience and money. It took many years and many reaches before I really understood what my wise friend was getting at with his advice. Every place (except Accompong Town) started out like a dream vacation but eventually little things and sometimes bigger issues soured my decision to live there longer term.
That's when I was glad not to have signed a long-term lease, bought property there or built a house. Even now in Accompong Town I have fashioned a way to walk away should it become necessary without losing my shirt in the process.
If the Jamaica you have in your mind is the Jamaica of more than a few years back, perhaps you need to reevaluate your thinking. The rampant corruption (although still existing), crime and violence and quality of life of the Jamaican people is being dealt with and continually improving. Unlike in the US, the Jamaican Government actually functions and continues to address issues like monetary policy with the IMF, improving major highways like the Highway 2000 project, working with the Chinese to open a Logistics Hub and lowering crime.
If you are happy just visiting once or more a year and then going back to your home then continue to do so. Moving to Jamaica is a big commitment and should not be done without an "exit strategy" should it become necessary. Jamaicans say, "Jamaica noh easy" and that, my friends, says it all. If it is living in Paradise without a care in the world you are looking for then continue looking but just visiting frequently (as I did) can possibly help you find what you are looking for in life.
Peace and Guidance
I fantasize about the idea at times. Heat and humidity? It would actually be an improvement from conditions here in the summer (which I don't mind as I love heat and humidity).
Aside from concerns over medical care, the biggest concern I would have about retiring to the Caribbean is that it would be too costly. I live a modest life in the states and would be faced with significantly higher costs for housing, utilities, food and pretty much everything else.
The article didn't lie and I have been able to get along with the realities I've encountered thus far. There was a lot to absorb culturally the first couple years of long stays. When in the US now I live like I do in Jamaica. Family and friends offer me various gadgets and implements to take to JA, but I have learned it is easier to make do on the fly and avoid the clutter. I was recently in Florida for a month and the cost was sooo much more!
Jon c,Quote:
Originally Posted by jon c.
I think that no one on this site lives any more modestly in the states or in Jamaica. I may be wrong but I live on less than $1,000 per month both here in So. Florida and at my home in Jamaica. It sometimes is less than that and very rarely more only if an extraordinary situation arises.
Medical Care cost me about $130 US for 5 days in Black River Hospital last year. I feel I received very good care for such a small amount of money. I did have to supply my own sheets, pillow and pillow case and towels and did wear my own clothes while in the ward. Of course, in the full disclosure statement, I do have VA Medical Care here in the states. I pay nothing for it and Ricky Scott pays my Medicare Part B because of my financial situation. I feel comfortable using the Jamaican health care system.
Housing runs me about $600 US per month in Jamaica but I don't live in Negril either. If you want to live there, maybe it would be too costly. Just saying.
Utilities: There is no pipe water in my town so we use plentiful rain water which costs nothing. Electricity costs me about $30 US per month average.
Food: Because I live on vegetables and fish, I can grow a lot of the vegetables and purchase the fish. I have to travel (usually by private car) to Santa Cruz to shop so that cost along with the fruits, vegetables and fish I require per week runs about $60 so a month is about $240,
That leaves me another $130 (or so) US to do "pretty much everything else" per month which is usually plenty.
Hard to find any place in Negril for $20 US per night that you would want to live in so living outside in the country is the key.
Hope this gives you an idea of what you could do on a limited budget.
Peace and Guidance
There can be such a thing as too much weed! I think that Accompong's post is very wise. I have given you the "hard" facts. If one is still inclined, after hearing the difficulties, to try living in Jamaica long term, read Accompong's post carefully and then plan carefully. As a Jamaican friend told me, "you do not want to be a poor white man living in Jamaica".Some people can live as Accompong does and enjoy it. I would not myself, with the other difficulties, call that living in paradise. A friend of mine lived 8 years in Laos under the communist government right after the war in Vietnam. He had quite an adventure. I had no interest in staying there that long. Most Americans would not enjoy retiring in Jamaica. I am not threatened by logical arguments, in fact I welcome them and try to learn from them, but they do have to be logical. I will take issue with Accompong's assertions about the Jamaican government. They were dictated to by the IMF. If they had not complied with the IMF dictates, the Jamaican economic system would have been in big trouble.Take a look at the latest exchange rate! The highway project isn't too bad. It is,however, a toll road and I wonder about where some of the funding went and how various contracts were let. Giving the Chinese carte blanche to establish a logistics hub is not at all wise. Already, there are serious labor problems with the Chinese. One only has to look at the way the Chinese operate in Africa to see how they will treat Jamaicans. I would like to know how crime is being reduced on the island. I have had friends from UK law enforcement that were seconded to Jamaica in an effort to reduce corruption. They left in despair and expressed little hope that anything could be done in the near future. My friends that were Jamaican police officers left to work in law enforcement in the UK. When they return to Jamaica for visits, they complain of being approached by former colleagues in the Jamaican police asking them to take part in money laundering and other illegal activities. When they retire in the UK they plan to take contracts in other Commonwealth countries as police officers rather than return to Jamaica. Their wives fear for their safety in Jamaica. Jamaica is a very corrupt place. I dream of the day when Jamaica will be similar to Hawaii and I think that someday it will. I just regret that I will not be alive when that happens.
I don't see what that has to do with living in Jamaica. There is a lot more weed around where I live in the states than in JA, and much stronger as well. Weed is everywhere, moderation can be applied anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by negrilsand
No thanks,i will stay in Canada.I enjoy three out of the four seasons.Going to my cottage ,boating and hanging out with my "real" friends.I like visiting Jamaica,smoking a hockey bag of weed,nailing a few chicks,spending a couple bucks and getting the hell out of there.
No thanks,i will stay in Minnesota. I enjoy three out of the four seasons, going to my cabin in Sconie,boating,hanging out with my real friends. I love to visit Jamaica,drink
a whole lot of everything, dance, and flirt, and swim and float, spend a few bucks and get the heck out of there...................:)