Yikes. Sand mining

http://go-jamaica.com/pressrelease/item.php?id=5941

Negril Chamber outraged over sand mining operations

The Negril Chamber of Commerce is today expressing outrage at what appears to be shady sand mining activities connected to major hotel developments in Negril and elsewhere on the North Coast.

“It was brought to our attention by multiple persons that sand is being mined in the Negril area and moved by several trucks in the dead of night to a major hotel development in recent days. We are further told that the sand is stockpiled at the development in question for movement to another property on the north coast”, said the Negril Chamber of Commerce in a statement today.

Seems the same thing happened when they built the behemoth at Lucie....

I hate those places so much. Pure and simple greed. What would have to happen for them to get in serious trouble, and/or get shut down?
And where in Negril area are they mining sand?

Nothing like a little sand corruption! Does it never end.

Will they please just leave the beach sand alone already!

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Originally Posted by madcam94

Will they please just leave the beach sand alone already!

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I would imagine they're dredging, as someone else mentioned. Hopefully far away from any reefs, but who knows.

Please refrain from speculation and rumor. All this does is harm potentially innocent properties and their reputations. It serves no useful purpose whatsoever....

Thank you.

Odd ... that 5 other "news agencies" Incl. the Gleaner have run this same story in the past 24 hours
Yes/ No ???

Some clarity here: http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/n...defends-itself

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Originally Posted by Slightly Stoopid

Odd ... that 5 other "news agencies" Incl. the Gleaner have run this same story in the past 24 hours
Yes/ No ???

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Slightly,

Yes, of course the Jamaican new agencies "ran" this story just as we "ran" this thread that covers the story. The original post is there for all to see and click on the link. But that has nothing to do about the post I made asking people not to speculate.

None of the news services speculated on which property was involved. None. They stated the facts and did not begin or allow speculation as to which property the Chamber was complaining about with "sand mining". News agencies know that speculation of this kind can harm innocent parties and it serves no practical purpose at all. This is not odd behaviour, but responsible behaviour.

The posts removed were speculating on which property was involved, and the speculation/guess made in the posts were incorrect, which can do nothing but harm the innocent property falsely being named.

According to Karisma Resorts which built Azul Senatori they are building a 149 room resort next door to Sensatori to be named Azul Seven. Picture of future resort is not very appealing.

So are they mining the sand from this property?
And this is legal? Yikes!

I will reserve my own opinion until I know exactly what is happening.

So Karisma Resorts is taking sand out of the property they acquired (long time ago used to be the Mahogany Inn) and trucking it north to another resort?
Is this what is happening?

Rob.. was this taken from what was the old Mahogany Inn Property?

yes, the old prop was bought by Karisma Resorts... the Azul properties.

The Mexicans own Jamaica now.

I thought it was the Chinese.

And as I understand Azul properties. has pulled out of the project so the land will sit vacant, sand missing no building going on?

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Originally Posted by Odinson

I thought it was the Chinese.

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Too bad Trump isn't running for president of JA. He knows how to deal with Chinese. :rolleyes:

The Azul bunch are Mexicans,

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Originally Posted by Gwhizman

And as I understand Azul properties. has pulled out of the project so the land will sit vacant, sand missing no building going on?

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Bummer, if I recall, there wasn't much beach there to begin with. It was a nice quiet place to enjoy the beach.

In its heyday, when the Mahogany resort was there , it was a lovely beach. When the resort fell into decrepitude, the sea grape trees reclaimed the sand.

Well now the Mexican have the sand and after 300 truck loads of sand taken off got pissed and abandoned the build... correct Rob?

geez, is it even walk-able past the area???

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Originally Posted by Thatswhatshesaid

geez, is it even walk-able past the area???

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My understanding is that the sand that was removed was from the foundation excavations, not actual "beach" sand (not that that is much better).

Wow, "not actual 'beach' sand"? To me, everything from the road to the sea is "beach sand". (Libelous comment removed.)

They would only dig a long tunnel and steal the sand anyway, the cartels are good at that.........

Papa Georgie: I meant in relation to what people refer to as the beach, in reference to the comment above mine asking if you could even get through...

It's my understanding that they own both properties, so what is the issue with trading natural resources between the two? Then again, nobody on this website knows what really happened, so no need to speculate or cause rumor. Right Rob?

If you are that passionate about the sand in Negril what are you doing to stop the fishing of parrot fish?

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Originally Posted by booger

It's my understanding that they own both properties, so what is the issue with trading natural resources between the two? Then again, nobody on this website knows what really happened, so no need to speculate or cause rumor. Right Rob?

If you are that passionate about the sand in Negril what are you doing to stop the fishing of parrot fish?

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People here who have been following the news know exactly the factual truth of what is happening. Keep following the news and the links posted here.

If you want to follow this story, try this Google search:

site:jamaicagleaner.com negril sand

then choose "News" from the headings (may be under More/News).

My expectation is that posting reasonable comments there would be more effective than posting comments here. But please be respectful of the opinions of the actual Jamaicans if you are not one of them.

http://coastalcare.org/2016/01/why-m...egril-matters/

For your reading pleasure

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Originally Posted by Gwhizman

Well now the Mexican have the sand and after 300 truck loads of sand taken off got pissed and abandoned the build... correct Rob?

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Gwhizman,

Where are you getting this information? Please link to the source.

As of Tuesday, especially considering the scope of the investment, negotiations were still taking place as the sand mining had ceased.

Gwhizman,

I spent some time checking today, and the present Azul is full - each room is booked. Since you have twice now mentioned/speculated that Azul has left the island, would you please post the link where you heard these facts? If it is true, there must me something factual on the Internet you can link. The Internet kinda works that way.... (grin)

Everyone else,

This is why we do not allow speculation and rumor on Negril.com. ANYONE can say anything in this new age of the Internet and it is immediately transmitted world wide.

Please consider what you post before posting. Incredible harm can unwittingly be done by posting rumor and/or speculation.

Before posting, put yourself in the other persons/parties position. How would you like it if you had to defend yourself against something that is an untrue rumor or speculation? Could you defend yourself? And if you could, how long would it take. This is not fair to anyone, especially for people trying to determine the truth.

There is enough wrong with this world today without creating needless rumor and speculation that does nothing but harm. I ask you all once again to refrain from this behaviour.

I step off my soapbox.... (grin)

Thank you for reading.

Anything bad about these ventures is just "rumors and speculations".....really?

Owning websites or media outlets that live and feed their families on ad dollars + publishing negative stuff about them is as smart as suicide. My statement has nothing to do with Rob's business practices, I don't know how he runs his business but he is still in business because he's not stupid.

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Originally Posted by Papa Georgie

Anything bad about these ventures is just "rumors and speculations".....really?

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Papa,

Maybe you missed it, but there has already been a thread started on this topic. I will merge the two so you can see that plenty has been said bad about this situation without people resorting to making libelous comments. Jamaica has very strict libel laws and being a Jamaican company (not your Facebook page), we have to adhere to the law. Because of the permits granted to Azul by the government and the stipulations (fine print) in those permits, their lawyers are working out the details. Your comment, as you made it, was libel and needed to be removed.

As for the rumor and speculation, in the first thread (which is merged with this one now), the wrong property was referenced twice. That can cause harm to the innocent property mentioned. I had to remove those two posts. In this thread, it has been speculated that Azul had left the island twice, when they have not. If you have a room booked at Azul and read these false statements and took them as the truth, you would panic that you would not have a place to stay. I personally had to spend days assisting visitors find rooms when SeaWind actually closed. Trust me, people were in PANIC mode and to needlessly put others through that when it is NOT true is cruel.

wrtiii posted a great google search link and you can read as much truthful bad things as your heart desires. but you wont read rumor and speculation in the Gleaner articles either. Here is the google search link again:

site:jamaicagleaner.com negril sand

then choose "News" from the headings (may be under More/News).

As wrtiii added:

"My expectation is that posting reasonable comments there would be more effective than posting comments here. But please be respectful of the opinions of the actual Jamaicans if you are not one of them."

Shifting sands...https://petchary.wordpress.com/2016/...ing-in-negril/

to be precise.. "Meanwhile, the developers are strongly hinting that they might pull out of Jamaica – hence the emergency meeting. This was inevitable. The planned hotel development in St. Ann is a huge one (US$900 million worth) as I noted in my blog yesterday. The Commissioner of Mines says Karisma did nothing illegal. Karisma is clearly extremely upset"

Try this link to the Jamaica Observer:
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/envir...-matters_49172