Respectfully want to know what is going on. Police just escorted Norman the Patty Seller and also the Jerk Pork seller off the beach at Wavz park. We've been buying food from them for years and they both seem like great people.
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Respectfully want to know what is going on. Police just escorted Norman the Patty Seller and also the Jerk Pork seller off the beach at Wavz park. We've been buying food from them for years and they both seem like great people.
No way!! I love Norman and Dean! Great guys
Far from a police shakedown, Norman and I have been talking about this for months. Without having a physical location, the selling of food products is not licensed.
He has been trying to find a way to gain a vendor's license but has been unable to obtain one without a location.
The police are just enforcing the new vending laws that were put into place to address the tourist harassment complaints.
Norman knew it was just a matter of time, and will be using this opportunity to have a judge clarify the law and address this particular form of business.
Hopefully this will lead to a formal vendor's license for him and Dean.
Thanks Rob for the additional info ~ appreciate it!!
DITTO!Quote:
Originally Posted by Patricia
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Thank you for the response. Wish the very best for both Norman and Dean. Both of their food products are great and reasonably priced - hope to keep buying from them.
I ironically saw a horse galloping on the beach passing spot where Norman and Dean were arguing with the police. Aren't horses illegal on the beach?
Wow, if Dean isn't allowed, I may have to cancel our next trip, his pork is amazing
Yes, the vending of horse riding on the beach is illegal and they have been arrested many times in the past. But the logistics of what to do with the innocent horses creates problems. Obviously the police station doesn't have a stable.
The local police have complained to the higher ups so they are aware of the problem.
In the meantime, an easy solution we can all be part of is to simply not patronize the horses. And to let those you are with know not to ride those horses as well. If there is no demand, there will be no supply.
I hope both men are able to get it sorted out and find a spot to call their own. I enjoy chatting with them both and buying from them on the beach!
That is sad. I have bought many a pattie from norman. One thing i always loved about negril is that you can buy just about anything without ever leaving your beach chair. Years ago when the beach wasnt lined with restruants and bars all the beach vendors were providing a much needed service. Now some are still providing those services trying to scratch out a living. That is part of Negrils charm that so many of us have grown to love. I hope they can find a way to allow people like norman to continue to make a living on the beach. I always pay for my newspaper a week at a time and if i am not there when he comes by its always dropped off with someone who works where i stay. Its things like that that keep me coming back. As far as the horses go i would love to see them dissapear into one of the beautyfull sunsets and never return
never seen the horses till the last few years over by Sun Beach....
however people love to get up on the horses and get der pic taken....
mi sure most travelers don't know der illegal on the beach.......
mi noticed a real down tick in the walking vendors on the beach....
mi haven't been able to buy a Beef Pattie all Winter.....or ice cream.....ugh
unfortunately mi haven't seen a down tick in the RentaDreads/Gigolos....never seen so many...
and some are very rude to the travelers visiting Negril......dem way too aggressive...
mi counted 10 trying to talk to 6 female travelers a couple Sundays ago at Sun Beach.....
Cool Runnings, Marko
That is strange, we've gotten patties from Norman on almost all our beach visits so far this season. But you did have to time it right and catch Norman on his way up the beach. He had sold out by the time he was making his way back.
As for the gigalos and hookers, the demand has always set the supply for the world's oldest profession...
I love Norman's patties. I hope they can sort this out. As for harassing tourists, I !NEVER seen either man do this
I had no trouble getting patties from Norman at any time of afternoon. Not had a chance to get pork from Dean yet. I will advise if I see them on beach today as I hope. Thanks for great responses from Rob and all.
They never harass anyone. People come to them!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLP
Also hoping best for Cortis the fruit lady (we love to cut up and eat the tomatoes and papayas on the raft), and for the ice cream man (had good coffee run cream ice cream early yesterday).
It is just the way things work. If you want to stop people from harassing tourists then you have to make laws that everyone has to follow. If you want vendors licensed, then you have to make everyone get a license. You just can't "cherry pick" the ones out that you don't want to have to follow rules and laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankk
I think that in the long run everyone will like it more when some order is imposed on the system.
This has nothing to do with whether Norman, Dean, Cortis, etc. ever harassed anyone, it has to do with the enforcement of new laws to address the complaints from tourists about harassment.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankk
To serve food, your facilities need to be inspected and approved for the restaurant license. In addition, each person who handles the food has to have a food handlers license. Since these vendors do not have physical locations, they cannot even apply for a license.
While Norman and I talked, the idea of a small "restaurant/bakery" that only offered delivery services came to mind. This will be one of the ideas that he will present to the authorities.
But because of the new tourist harassment laws, being an unlicensed vendor of any kind makes you illegal. The law is written to prohibit this activity and does not single out individual people, nor does it exclude individual people.
I love getting patties and stuff on the beach, so to possibly seeing that come to an end is kind of sad. I know you can get them at other places, but I loved the fact that you didn't have to leave your chair. Does Norman make his own patties, or does he get them from somewhere like Out of Town bakery? Maybe he could work out some kind of deal with someone and basically become their delivery man...
The part i find funny is thats its not people like norman who are harrassing tourists and yet they seem to be paying the price. I agree with the licensing part and if you are selling food it should be safe to eat and somehow inspected and they should find a way to let people like norman continue to do what they have been doing for years
So is all vending on the beach now illegal?
No juice?
No check out my handiwork, my wood carving?
No aloe?
No bracelets?
etc.?
Unfortunately, there lies the rub. We all appreciate and respect the value of responsible food safety and to accomplish that laws need to be put in place. And when those laws are enforced, some get caught in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irieonline
Norman, Dean, et al, will need to come up with a new business model as Norman and I have been discussing for months.
This was inevitable. You can't have it both ways.
No, there is legal vending on the beach. And this is not new, illegal vendors have been busted since my first visit. But there is more enforcement because of the new tourist harassment laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by JahCruiser
The legal vendors have their appropriate permits. There is a baked goods vendor who has his tag (lanyard) for all to see. I do not know of any legal juice vendors and I have unfortunately known many a visitor getting sick from bad juice. Same with the lobster vendors selling from a cardboard box. Not the best dining choice in the world.
There are legal carving and craft vendors. All the above mentioned legal vendors have to take a JTB course on the tourism industry as well as obtaining their license.
This is also part of the guidelines required by the IMF in order for the government to collect more taxes so that the IMF can be paid back.
This can be a rather complex topic.
I pray that someone with money does not buy up all the vending licenses and subcontract them out, thus driving the little guys out of business. Sad, but that seems to be the way these thing end up working out once government regulations come into play.
I really hope Dean can get it sorted out. I don't know Norman as I get my patties and coco bread from Anthony.
From what I have read on the lanyards, they are issued to a specific person at a specific business. As with the JTA (Transport Authority) you can only purchase as many permits as you have PPV vehicles.Quote:
Originally Posted by halfwaytree
And you cannot get the permit without attending the JTB classes, so I am not sure how anyone could "buy" them all up.
I really hope the police do a shakedown on Ringman the man that drags dogs down the beach by a telephone cord . He works in front of Couples Swept Away resort. People have been posting pictures of him on other sites with the dogs he abuses . Its a tragedy that he is allowed to be aggressive to animals & the people that walk the beach. How many years will this continue .
We haven't seen any animals with him for the longest time. So no worries, the answer to the number of years will this continue is zero...Quote:
Originally Posted by lathomas
He got berated by more people than I can count, both locals and visitors alike.
Ringman had a mother dog and 2 puppies in January when we were at IA
Saw him January and February "dogless". I hope you said something to him when you saw him abusing the dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by JahCruiser
Rob how does it work for the jerk chicken guys on the beach road? Do they all have the proper license and are they inspected and have taken a safe food handling course and whatever else is required to legally do what they do? Times are changing and when i am not working in the construction industry here i work in the food service industry and am very aware of safe food handling and what it involves and the dangers that can come with unsanitary conditions and people who arent properly trained.
There seems to be some confusion...
This law is not new and is not newly being enforced...it was amended because of the harassment complaints and is being more sternly enforced island wide.
It is enforced on a regular basis no different than when the police set up radar at particular locations/times to catch speeding drivers...it becomes enforced more regularly as the complaints become more prevalent.
In this instance a tourist (Frankk) happened to see it "going down" with Norman and Dean and was surprised by the policing action...but again this is not new or unusual. First time it became prevalent to me was back in 2004 when the police were walking down the beach and one of the vendors hid behind me.
Until the vendors become legal this is going to continue to happen.
As you may remember, late last year there were rumors that all the jerk pans were gone. It was discussed here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irieonline
What happened was all the jerk pans now in place were made legal and regulated, being assigned to their specific locations.
This is part of the newly amended vending laws.
I used to love watching smokey the vendor who sold smokes, rizzlas and lighters take his hat off and hide from the police when they were near lol. If you watched him he was always looking around and back over his shoulder to see if they were close by lol.
Yes I remember that conversation and as just curious as to the outcome and if they were regulated and inspected. Ty Rob ;)
laws suck.
Glad to report that I saw both Norman and Dean selling food on the beach today. All is good and common sense prevailed.
Yes, saw Norman on the beach today. The newly amended laws were designed to be as much about compliance and not just displinary in nature. The future will be interesting.
Its the honest people paying the price for a law that also seeks control for the Government on the beach when the sale of ganga has been figured out. Just saying there is always a bigger picture. A vendor is a vendor. These honest vendors are as much part of the beach as the sun and sand. 2 cents...........
The sale of ganja by "vendors" on the beach is illegal. This is still in the process of being figured out. Ganja has been decriminalized, not legalized. Less than 2 ounces is a fine, over 2 ounces or distribution, transport or sale is a fine trip to the local jail...Quote:
Originally Posted by lacdeloo