Just returned, Negril looking good!

We just returned from an 8 nighter, 5 nights at Coral Seas Garden and the final 3 at Samsara. This is somewhere between 12 and 15 Jamaica trips for us, 8 or 10 to Negril. We had a good trip, some highligts were dinner at Rockhouse, the new Winery "Wine with Me" at Beachcomber, breakfast at Travelers a few mornings, etc. etc. Had some typical JA annoyances at the hotels, always hate this as it is what turns first timers off. Shouldn't be an issue to have a working A/C at check in and a flushing toilet, but that is part of the budget accomodations. We caught up with some old friends and met some new ones. We did the "One Love Pub Crawl" and the vibe has changed since we first did it almost 6 years ago, but it was still a nice time.

The boss lady said back on all-inclusive next year, so a 5 year run has ended. She wants to do Sunset at the Palms next year in July and bring some friends along. I'm sure we will bounch off property a time or two though.

The best thing we saw was lots of new construction going on! We checked out the winery "Wine with Me", its at the Beachcomber and it is really well done and has great wines and a super cool vibe. We wanted to stop by again, but just couldn't squeeze it in!

One Love.

Hey RonMon,
Sorry to hear about the annoyances.
As you know, I recommended Coral Seas Garden to folks.
Hope they quickly hard to fix things for you.

Take care,
Later.

Sounds like you had a nice trip! We are looking forward to visiting Negril again very soon!

would like to hear you take on the pub crawl.

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Hey RonMon,
Sorry to hear about the annoyances.
As you know, I recommended Coral Seas Garden to folks.
Hope they quickly hard to fix things for you.

Take care,
Later.

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Marko, I think they have a good thing there, just need some fine tuning. I would stay there again, I think the location is primo and out bed was ultra comfortable. The boss lady was a bit upset that we had to move twice due to A/C not working in first room and toiltet not flushing in second room. Actually she was more annoyed that the girl at the front desk basically didn't care. Carl is the go to guy on the property, once he found out it was quickly resolved. He even said they were at 20% occupancy so no reason to have someone in a room where things don't work.

I am with you Marko, I have it on my recommend list and I would go again.

Cool RonMon,
I do love that place.
Been staying there since 2000.
As you said "Perfect location".

Mi know Carl good, he's always on the job.

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would like to hear you take on the pub crawl.

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Well since you asked, I was hesitant to say because I don't want to offend anyone, but here is my take. We first began our One Love Pub Crawling about 5 or so years ago, we loved it! The Crawl is what prompted us to leave the big A/I and venture off on our own. Lenbert was fun, engaging and made a great time for all. I read a review on his Facebook site just before we left where a guy stated that he felt the crawl had changed a lot and that Lenbert had kind of lost interest and just went through the motions, I had hoped this was untrue.

Our experience this trip was 7 stops, about half were new to us so that was good. First thing we noticed that Lenbert did seem a bit off and just not as into it as he used to be. I completely understand, its a job for him and hes not on vacation. The second thing we noticed is that there is now a bit of a cottage industry of locals that follow the Crawl to beg and expect gifts, money etc. Lenbert didn't mingle and interact with the guests as he used to and as the review I read stated it is kind of an "on your own" now vibe. Along that same line one of the stops was a simple wooden stand type bar that clearly was not open until we pulled up. Lenbert stated that his ex wife owned it and we were helping out with the alimony. $4 a RS made some folks groan, but that would be the low price for the trip. As we pulled away they were clearly shutting down the shop and calling it a day.

We hit a small hut far out in the West End and while we were there prior and paid $3 a RS, Crawl price was $4. I know this has been a bone of contention for some folks, but it is what it is, I am just stating the experience we had.

Of course the now regular "Shanty Town" as Lenbert referred stop was next. This is where it got a bit crazy! Only a handful of folks exited the bus, they had some clothes, school supplies, etc to hand out. In a minute or two it was a mob scene, kids were coming on the bus, Lenbert was trying to regulate the going ons outside the bus, but clearly had his hands full. This turned a lot of folks off and kinda killed the vibe a bit. Some of the people that were handing things out said they literally had items ripped out of their hands and their clothing pulled on, etc, etc. It got a bit crazy for sure.

The crawl didn't end with the usual singing and dancing, just kind of drifted into the sunset quietly. I don't want to sound as though I am anti anything, we contribute to the pople of Negril. I choose to donate through Travelers as I like what they do and I don't think it promotes the begging culture which is in contrast to the great good. For example, Royal Carribbean just cancled the Falmouth port off their itinerary. They said in their statement it was due to harrassment of guests by the hustlers and practices of the tour operators that resulted in excessive complaints. We are cruisers as well and when I read the rankings of ports Jamaica is always at the bottom for this same reason.

Anyhow, back on track I think everyone should try the Crawl and we will continue to support and recommned. It has just changed and in many ways you can't blame Lenbert. The folks at the Couples Swept Away boards have made a whole thing of using the Crawl as a way to donate to the kids, etc, etc. Most of these folks never see the outside of the resort other than this trip so they don't really get what they are doing. Lenbert has done a ton of good and I'm sure he feels caught in the middle at times.

One Love

Good read. We haven't done the bus pub crawl in a couple years and it does sound much different. When we went it was a rolling party. Lenbert kept us laughing and we really enjoyed ourselves.

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Hey RonMon,
Sorry to hear about the annoyances.
As you know, I recommended Coral Seas Garden to folks.
Hope they quickly hard to fix things for you.

Take care,
Later.

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Marko. I stayed one night at the Coral Seas Garden so I could catch the bus to the airport after 6 months on the island. I was disappointed in what I got for $80+ for a night. I got a room near the pool on the bottom level. A/C did not work properly, water pressure was poor and the furnishings were old and some broken in places.

You know I live in an area without pipe water and nothing approaching air conditioning so these two deficiencies were extremely annoying to me.

I like saving money but, in my opinion, this experience was a waste of it.

Thank you, RonMon, for sharing your observations. I agree, it’s an informative read. I must say, I admire your loyalty to Lenbert and the crawl even after a “not-so-irie experience”. The shanty town stop is what kept me off the bus. Children getting on the bus now??? How can it not continue to get worse?? For safety reasons, no one should be allowed on the bus except the original patrons.

I fear that even if he wanted to eliminate the stop, he can’t.

The shanty town thing really turns me off, I just won't go anymore. We had fun when it first started, but it now seems like the original mission has been lost. Too bad.

Where is "shanty town"?

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Where is "shanty town"?

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I assume you are joking with me? I remember the last hornets nest over that question! I was careful to note that it was Lenberts description of the location and not my own.

One Love!

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Thank you, RonMon, for sharing your observations. I agree, it’s an informative read. I must say, I admire your loyalty to Lenbert and the crawl even after a “not-so-irie experience”. The shanty town stop is what kept me off the bus. Children getting on the bus now??? How can it not continue to get worse?? For safety reasons, no one should be allowed on the bus except the original patrons.

I fear that even if he wanted to eliminate the stop, he can’t.

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Yeah, it's got to get back to the original spirit and order of things to survive in my opinion. I'm sure Lenbert is a bit trapped by the whole situation.

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I assume you are joking with me? I remember the last hornets nest over that question! I was careful to note that it was Lenberts description of the location and not my own.

One Love!

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Not joking. Just curious. No negativity intended.

I really don't know a lot about Negril now a days.

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Not joking. Just curious. No negativity intended.

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There was a big argument on here a while ago about the exact location of Shanytown, so I thought you were making a joke. ILets just off the side road up on the Cliffs, turned in by Sharkys and headed back that way.

I totally agree, I love Lenbert and give him credit for a brilliant idea, but I will not go on the bus anymore, unless it is a chartered event with fellow boardies. As with a lot of things like this,
it changes after time, and the whole kids begging, running after the bus has become a big turn off. And the comment about kids'' coming on the bus grabbing things out of the tourist hands'', well guess who
has caused that. The tourists that bring that stuff in the first place. It promotes begging and perpetuates a cycle of poverty. Don't have the energy to explain why, some get it, some never will.
Now I can't say that without pointing out that very dear friends of mine from this board do take trips to small towns, and ask permission to the parents to give gifts . I see this as different than the random giving out, from the bus, and other places. This frustration also includes the aggressiveness of the young, 12 and 13 year old boys on the beach, that get visibly angry if you don't buy their bracelets, they are doing this when they should be in school. This is a huge problem that should be addressed more thoroughly......

Okay, my rant is over, hey Vi, how are you, when is the next reach, were way overdue for a rum !!! :)

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I totally agree, I love Lenbert and give him credit for a brilliant idea, but I will not go on the bus anymore, unless it is a chartered event with fellow boardies. As with a lot of things like this,
it changes after time, and the whole kids begging, running after the bus has become a big turn off. And the comment about kids'' coming on the bus grabbing things out of the tourist hands'', well guess who
has caused that. The tourists that bring that stuff in the first place. It promotes begging and perpetuates a cycle of poverty. Don't have the energy to explain why, some get it, some never will.
Now I can't say that without pointing out that very dear friends of mine from this board do take trips to small towns, and ask permission to the parents to give gifts . I see this as different than the random giving out, from the bus, and other places. This frustration also includes the aggressiveness of the young, 12 and 13 year old boys on the beach, that get visibly angry if you don't buy their bracelets, they are doing this when they should be in school. This is a huge problem that should be addressed more thoroughly......

Okay, my rant is over, hey Vi, how are you, when is the next reach, were way overdue for a rum !!! :)

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Very well said! The one young girl get back on the bus after Shantytown and looked like she saw a ghost, almost in tears. She had brough a bunch of clothes and was swarmed to put it politely. I tried to bit my tongue, but finally told her that it would sure be a whole lot easier next trip if she just dropped some money off to ISSA or Travelers and called it a day. She was clearly shell shocked by the reaction her gifts caused and didn't expect the mob scene.

We will continue to support the Crawl and recommend those see for themselves, but we won't be attending again as it is now.

Cap D. I believe it is the road parallel to Sea Star Lane. I used to call that area the DIVERS Village (Jame, thank you for the correction, sucks getting old))
. Across from Seastar Inn was a path to Divers Village (see photo):

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looks very inviting lol

OK. I know the lane. I buy honey from a dread on that lane. Not exactly a tourist highlight

Cap

Hey Accompong,
Man, that is a bummer.
I will have to tell them about your experience when I get there in November.

True, some times the water pressure is up, sometimes down,
but AC should be working all the time and Furniture should be decent.

I still want to check your Accompong town one day.
Take care.

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Hey Accompong,
Man, that is a bummer.
I will have to tell them about your experience when I get there in November.

True, some times the water pressure is up, sometimes down,
but AC should be working all the time and Furniture should be decent.

I still want to check your Accompong town one day.
Take care.

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Yeah, boss lady reminded me that she sat on kitchen chair and seat flipped off, wasn't even attached. The water pressure was for sure the weakest we have had in Negril, but I expect that.

Marko, the other thing boss lady mentioned that I forgot. They let vendors pass freely in and out of property during the day, several times we were approached to buy fruit, take tours, ganja, ganja, ganja, etc. Always nice, but we just were not used to that on property, didn't bother us much, but the average tourist would be really taken aback, usually the resort is where you don't have to worry about sales pitches.

My first reach to Jamaica I stayed with some friends in "Shanty Town" or as they and others in the area call it, Divers Village. I recognized it from the short cut in the picture going over to Seastar(on the village side of that alley is a little shop called spicys) This experience gave me a very different impression and experience in Jamaica then 95% of the people that will visit. I had the opportunity to meet some amazing people that live in the village and even a young girl that made it onto the show Magnum King and Queens of Dancehall. It was fun to watch her on TV when I returned to the states. Back to my point, it is a great village with amazing people that live very different lives then those that patron the One Love Pub Crawl and that culture difference can cause issues for a ton. My friend Laura lives in the village and teaches the kids in the village weekly to read, write, color, etc. She is another great source for donations as she can regulate who in the village they go to based off need and how much and so its not all at once to a select few people that "grab stuff out of hands". The last thing I want is the village to have a bad reputation or bad vibes. Keep the donations to a specific source instead of handing out yourself and continue to patron the businesses and this place can soon be a great addition of bars/restaurants/shops to the west end. My next reach is in October and I am again staying in the "Shanty Town" and encourage those to reach out to someone who knows the area and go and meet a couple people/families there and stop at a couple of the small shops/restaurants/bars. I am attaching a couple pictures for you to enjoy of the Village.

One Love and nothing but Respect for everyone!!

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Jame, thank you for the correction! Divers Village. Below is my favorite hangout in the Divers Village.

Delroy's shop:
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Ronman, good stuff! appreciate the honesty.

VVHT

We had taken the crawl 4 times and loved it. Last Nov we had taken some first timers to Jamaica. We booked the crawl and it was a packed bus. We also stopped at Shantytown. The whole vibe changed afterwards. I gave $$ then got back on the bus. My hubs and I both said we were gonna take a break from the crawl for awhile. I think Lenbert introduced us to the cliffs and now it's not doesn't have the "wow" factor being we stay on the cliffs. It just bothered me seeing those young mothers with iPhones and city's in their pockets begging me to buy their babies pampers.

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My first reach to Jamaica I stayed with some friends in "Shanty Town" or as they and others in the area call it, Divers Village. I recognized it from the short cut in the picture going over to Seastar(on the village side of that alley is a little shop called spicys) This experience gave me a very different impression and experience in Jamaica then 95% of the people that will visit. I had the opportunity to meet some amazing people that live in the village and even a young girl that made it onto the show Magnum King and Queens of Dancehall. It was fun to watch her on TV when I returned to the states. Back to my point, it is a great village with amazing people that live very different lives then those that patron the One Love Pub Crawl and that culture difference can cause issues for a ton. My friend Laura lives in the village and teaches the kids in the village weekly to read, write, color, etc. She is another great source for donations as she can regulate who in the village they go to based off need and how much and so its not all at once to a select few people that "grab stuff out of hands". The last thing I want is the village to have a bad reputation or bad vibes. Keep the donations to a specific source instead of handing out yourself and continue to patron the businesses and this place can soon be a great addition of bars/restaurants/shops to the west end. My next reach is in October and I am again staying in the "Shanty Town" and encourage those to reach out to someone who knows the area and go and meet a couple people/families there and stop at a couple of the small shops/restaurants/bars. I am attaching a couple pictures for you to enjoy of the Village.

One Love and nothing but Respect for everyone!!

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Thank you, well said. Respect.

I live in an area some of whose environs could sometimes be called a "Shanty Town" by a tourist; a term which I consider a derogatory. Those that have never actually been in Kingston's squatter towns might mistake struggle for despair. Even in the worst areas like "Back O Wall" (now Tivoli Gardens), people don't always go around begging things.

You pull up in a bus and unload a pack of tourists bearing gifts anywhere and you contribute to the problem of teaching people that it is easier to beg than work. Let the people who know the needs give the help.

Honestly, in a 3-6 month stretch, I only get begged a couple of dozen times and then mostly during infrequent stops in Negril or by some mentally ill beggars in Santa Cruz, Montego Bay or Kingston.

Take some time on future trips to go to places like "Diver's Village" not as a benefactor but friendly visitor.

Jamaica is so much bigger than Negril.

Peace and Guidance

Hey RonMon, Thanks for the report! I just returned from Negril, as well and will be posting some updates and pics in a separate thread.

What you posted about the cruise ships no longer stopping in Jamaica is very interesting. I hope the Jamaican Tourist Board takes notice.

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Hey RonMon, Thanks for the report! I just returned from Negril, as well and will be posting some updates and pics in a separate thread.

What you posted about the cruise ships no longer stopping in Jamaica is very interesting. I hope the Jamaican Tourist Board takes notice.

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Mike, RonMon et al,

I can assure you that all stakeholders involved are well aware.

Two of the ships have been rerouted due to the deterioration of the port in Haiti that was part of the same circuit. The other could not get a berthing time that fit their schedule

Cruise ships are still calling on Jamaica so to say "the cruise ships no longer stopping in Jamaica" is misleading.

That is not to say that the issues at Falmouth are not real but are only one of the contributing factors

Cap

i live in port au prince, so i try to stay out of these one love bus crawl tour debates.

most people have no idea what "shanty towns" and ~poverty~ really look like. as underprivileged as some folks in negril might be, trust- it's nothing compared to genuine poverty.

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Thank you, well said. Respect.

I live in an area some of whose environs could sometimes be called a "Shanty Town" by a tourist; a term which I consider a derogatory. Those that have never actually been in Kingston's squatter towns might mistake struggle for despair. Even in the worst areas like "Back O Wall" (now Tivoli Gardens), people don't always go around begging things.

You pull up in a bus and unload a pack of tourists bearing gifts anywhere and you contribute to the problem of teaching people that it is easier to beg than work. Let the people who know the needs give the help.

Honestly, in a 3-6 month stretch, I only get begged a couple of dozen times and then mostly during infrequent stops in Negril or by some mentally ill beggars in Santa Cruz, Montego Bay or Kingston.

Take some time on future trips to go to places like "Diver's Village" not as a benefactor but friendly visitor.

Jamaica is so much bigger than Negril.

Peace and Guidance

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Mike, RonMon et al,

I can assure you that all stakeholders involved are well aware.

Two of the ships have been rerouted due to the deterioration of the port in Haiti that was part of the same circuit. The other could not get a berthing time that fit their schedule

Cruise ships are still calling on Jamaica so to say "the cruise ships no longer stopping in Jamaica" is misleading.

That is not to say that the issues at Falmouth are not real but are only one of the contributing factors

Cap

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Thanks for the insight, Captain. That makes sense.

Passing through Montego Bay last week, I can see the cruise port there is alive and well.

Thanks for the report. I recently watched a documentary I found on Netflix titled "Poverty Inc" . I recommend it for anyone who has a desire to contribute and help those in need. The film has enlightened me in many ways and made me think a bit deeper about what I'm doing and if my desire to help is actually hurting and keeping people in poverty. Thought provoking for sure.

As with everything in JA, it is never as simple as it appears. The Jamaica Gleaner had comments from the Falmouth Mayor stating that harassment was the reason for the ships pulling out. Now the story has been somewhat retracted and pulled back.

FIRST REPORT

Yesterday, the Gleaner published an article titled Major Cruiselines Pull Out Of Falmouth Port, Financial Fallout Expected. The article is admittedly confusing. It quotes Falmouth’s mayor, Colin Gager, referring to three ships, the "Allure of the Seas," and two unnamed ships from Celebrity and Royal Caribbean. It seems that Royal Caribbean and Celebrity Cruises changed the itineraries of three cruise ships from Falmouth at sometime in the future.
It does Falmouth Jamaica Royal Caribbeannot appear that these cruise lines are pulling all of their ships from this port. The Royal Caribbean website still lists the Independence, Liberty, Oasis, Allure, and Harmony of the Seas sailing to Falmouth in 2017 and 2018 and the Adventure of the Seas calling on Falmouth in late 2018 and 2019.
The article cites three reason expressed by the Falmouth mayor for the disruption of arrivals at the port: (1) "visitor harassment," (2) the "conduct of tour bus operators," and (3) "craft vendors leaving much to be desired."
Many cruise passengers have complained about being harassed in Falmouth, as well as other ports in Jamaica such as Ocho Rios and Montego Bay, by vendors and hair-braiders over the years. There have been many discussions between Royal Caribbean and Jamaican tourism officials about the cruise visitors' complaints of harassment.



UPDATED: Trelawny Business Leaders Say Falmouth Cruise Line Harassment Concerns 'Not Surprising'


Published:Monday | July 10, 2017 | 7:06 AM

Business leaders in Trelawny say the authorities should not be surprised tourism harassment has been cited as a concern for cruise lines.

Last week, reports surfaced that the local industry was set to suffer a major blow with the pull out of three major cruise lines, largely as a result of harassment concerns.

However, in a statement yesterday, the Port Authority disputed the reports saying that apart from the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines (RCCL) subsidiary Celebrity Cruises, which was late in berth reservation for 2018, resulting in the available berth going to Princess Cruises, all cruise lines remain committed to Falmouth and are still scheduled to call at the port.

"Notwithstanding, RCCL has not included Falmouth calls for its new Oasis class vessel, the Symphony of the Seas and will be repositioning the Allure of the Seas, another Oasis class vessel, after April 2018. The Allure of the Seas will return to Falmouth in December 2018," the Port Authority said.

Prior to the release of the Port Authority statement, Delroy Christie, acting president of the Trelawny Chamber of Commerce, said while reports of a pull out were regrettable the harassment problem was becoming unbearable.

Mayor of Falmouth Colin Gager had said last week that the pull out of three vessels, which together bring in about 10,000 visitors per call to the port, would result in losses of about $5 million monthly.

Yesterday the Port Authority said that, although a decline in earnings was expected from the reposition of Allure of the Seas, the summer season generally records an approximately 40 per cent decline in cruise arrivals, compared to the winter season.

(EDITOR'S NOTE: An earlier version of this story suggested it was a fact that three cruise ships would be pulling out of Falmouth.)

Had a Captain in the Army that always used to say "Never trust the first report."

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The reporter or editor who wrote this has no idea of the difference between a "cruise line" and a ship.

Three ships do not a cruise line make. Three weekly port calls are what it should have said

I could explain port call conflicts but I won't bore you.

As I previously mentioned Falmouth does have issues with aggressive vendors that must be addressed.


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As I previously mentioned Falmouth does have issues with aggressive vendors that must be addressed.
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Just a larger example of what the One Love Bus discussion was about. Anywhere you put tourists with money, you are going to get some aggression either from vendors or just people in general trying to get a little piece of the pie. Negril works a little better because the "money people" are generally inside AIs and don't venture out that much. Falmouth is the problem on steroids. Lots of money people dropped off in a poor parish and only a few hours to get as much as you can.

Just my opinion.

This is so true Accompong. Actually most of the cruise ports is like this some are just more aggressive. Go to cruise critic and you will see people complaining about Nassau, Bahamas. When those ships pull into ports the locals see 6 hrs of fast cash. I often hear my ship stopped in Jamaica and they hassled me so bad. You have to get away from the ports. In Negril you have visitors that are first timers and some of these guys like to hasssle. Then you have repeat visitors that ignore them. I got off the bus last yr and handed out $$. If I did go back I wouldn't get off the bus next time. We are just gonna sit out for awhile.

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This is so true Accompong. Actually most of the cruise ports is like this some are just more aggressive. Go to cruise critic and you will see people complaining about Nassau, Bahamas. When those ships pull into ports the locals see 6 hrs of fast cash. I often hear my ship stopped in Jamaica and they hassled me so bad. You have to get away from the ports. In Negril you have visitors that are first timers and some of these guys like to hasssle. Then you have repeat visitors that ignore them. I got off the bus last yr and handed out $$. If I did go back I wouldn't get off the bus next time. We are just gonna sit out for awhile.

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I hear what you are saying and generally agree. I remember in the 90's when I used to take the bus from the airport to Negril I most hated the drive through the streets of Lucea where I found myself looking out the bus window staring at poor people who were just staring right back at me. I just couldn't take that. Now when I travel in Jamaica, I stop off at places were obviously poor people live and work and spend a little money here and there but I don't "hand out $$" as that just sends the wrong signal. When I get asked for money sometimes I just ask back, "What are you willing to do for the money?" Usually I get this blank look and I continue, "I worked for my money, are you willing to work for yours?" Picking up plastic bottles, trash, etc. are some things I am willing to part with a couple of hundred Jamaican for. Doesn't have to be much but just showing the effort makes us both feel better about the transaction. Most don't want to beg.

If you do go back, get off the bus and mingle. A few gentle "No"'s go a long way to discourage and it gives you a moment to educate people on the proper way to interact with visitors. I live in an area where most of the time I am the only "tourist" within say 20 miles or so. I operate off of Respect. It is a two-way street with me. The more they see I am just like them and I Respect them, the more Respect they show for me. I love my little town. http://www.accompongtown.com

Respect.

We have friends that the only one time they have been to Jamaica was by cruise ship and they said they would never return. I have tried for years to get them to return with us so I can show them a different side of Jamaica.

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We have friends that the only one time they have been to Jamaica was by cruise ship and they said they would never return. I have tried for years to get them to return with us so I can show them a different side of Jamaica.

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Same thing w some friends of ours, they don't get it. I have never met anyone that did a cruise port stop and thought it was a good idea to venture inland on a vac. There is def an issue with the cruise ports and how the guests are handled.