I read in the Observer that they are setting up heat scanners before the immigration hall when you get off your flight to see if you have a fever. Well, you have to do what you have to do.
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I read in the Observer that they are setting up heat scanners before the immigration hall when you get off your flight to see if you have a fever. Well, you have to do what you have to do.
That is the first step toward shutting down the border. That step (the heat scanner thing that is) is pointless because it is too late. Which means shutting down the borders will also be pointless, if and when they decide to do that. Am I saying Jamaica should do either of these things (screen passengers, shut down borders)? I don't know, that depends on your definition of "should". But I do know the 2 questions are the same (i.e. "should they screen people?" and "should they shut down?"). In a few weeks all of you as well will see that they are the same question.
I am watching with interest how this develops. Because I care about Jamaica. And I care about myself. And I care about the whole world. I claim all 3 of those are also the same thing. If you don't agree with that statement, again wait.
BTW they are also doing the heat scanner thing in Kingston. I knew that already because my wife is planning to fly into Kingston. The Observer article the OP was referring to also says it http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/lates...avirus_crisis_
Follow the money. The money don't care about people's health. Hence they will install a fever sensor and give people a false sense of security. The govt is putting tourist dollars ahead of public health. People showing zero symptoms have tested positive after spreading the virus to others, especially young people. Sooooo they may be carrying the virus and present a normal body temperature. If someone arrives with the virus will they send EVERYONE on the plane back?Quote:
Originally Posted by pabloalto
They got three options:
1) close the border
2) quarantine everyone who arrives for more than 2 weeks
3) test everyone upon arrival
Anything less and the virus will inevitably be in Jamaica.
Asymptomatic woman infects family:
https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...latives-2020-2
Your logic is correct but you didn't run it to its final conclusion. All 3 options will fail. Why; Because they have already failed. Why? Because the virus is already in Jamaica. How do I know that? See the first paragraph of your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kold Ass Mofo
How do you know that the virus is already in Jamaica?Quote:
Originally Posted by rtitle
The first paragraph DOES NOT state otherwise.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/n...refutes-claims
Please stop posting false information..
Are you kicking me out of this forum?
Why would you be kicked out, you said you have more information about this and the government, so I am simply asking your sources of this info.Quote:
Originally Posted by rtitle
If this is true, please relate the source.
Thanks man!
I think what rtitle is saying is there are tourists coming from all over to Jamaica, so chances are, coronavirus is there, and now it's a matter of time. The precautions put in place are basically "security theater". The precautions in place aren't going to help anyone. It can take up to two weeks for any symptoms to show. So, I could carry it into Jamaica after being exposed, and then fly out a week later and still feel OK - meanwhile the virus has been spread to all the people who I interacted with for a week. It only takes one.
Lets not even talk about the fact that there are resorts that cater to italians, where theres an outbreak. Lets not acknowledge that the USA is not really doing much to stop the spread.
I am new to this board so the last thing I want to do is offend anybody. I have been a nurse for 30 years. I also just booked my next trip to Negril. Only my opinion, but for now (things could change) it is not an apocalypse. Frequent good ol’ hand washing is key. Fly? Sanitizer wipes. Should do that anyway. Rush to a crowded store to stock up on water, sanitizing wipes, canned goods, etc. ? No. Far from that and so is Jamaica. Most that have succumbed to this virus are the same unfortunate peeps that are already immunocompromised or have chronic health issues already. No need to panic. Life is short.
Now I'm panicking!!!:concern:Quote:
Originally Posted by MissJen
Can somebody please explain how the heat scanning testing before entering the Immigration Hall works?? Every single passenger trying to enter Jamaica goes through this process?? I'm all for it but how does this impact incoming traffic in the terminals?? Would a traveler arriving in JA since this implementation be kind enough to share the experience upon arrival? Thanks
Center for Disease Control estimates that so far, 14,000 people have died and 250,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC as of 2/14/2020. These figures are just for the USA and are NOT coronavirus related.
Get a grip, wash your hands, cover your mouth if you cough, etc. etc...
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#ILIActivityMap
We don't know when that testing will start. Island time might mean weeks from now.Quote:
Originally Posted by johng
And if you have traveled to any of those countries follow the self quarantine! Heard 1 story that a person was sick after trip to Italy went to dr. Dr. said to self quarantine while they await the test results. So what did the person do? Go to a work conference in another state and spread it! Take it seriously and don't spread it people. I know it might seem awful to be trapped in the house for 14 days but it could save a life...maybe even your own. Just my 2cents that no one asked for. Stay healthy everyone
Last month, the CDC reported that 39,773 people in the United States died from gunshot wounds in 2017, the most single-year gun deaths in half a century. The increase was driven by suicides. GVA recorded 28,159 firearm injuries in 2018, a 10 percent decrease over 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Oil
^^ Guns have about as much to do with the coronavirus as flu does.
Since we're getting off topic, how about the 450,000 deaths related to tobacco every year in the States?
We are in very mobile times here folks, these bugs are going to find a way in. All the control measures in the world will just slow down the spread and at least will help to not overcrowd our hospital systems - several here in the Chicago area have been on bypass lately (no room at the inn) just from the seasonal flu. We'll all get immune to this one and then wait around for the next one - sad, but the 'new' normal.
Control your health as best you can, get your vaccinations and for sure get your vacations!
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Originally Posted by Kold Ass Mofo
Thank you MissJen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MissJen
I 100% agree with you, not that I'm an expert in health science. People are freaking out about something that they highly likely won't catch, if in the almost zero percent chance they do get it, they will have zero or minimal symptoms. The media is doing their best to cause some hysteria.
I prefer to wait until scientists find out more about the disease before I would classify media coverage as hysteria. As often happens, too many people are willing to speculate because there is no consequence for being wrong or right in the end. I have seen virus' come and go in Jamaica and all have been accompanied by hysteria at some level due to not understanding the difference between facts and suss. What is known about the coronavirus is based on a scarce volume of information and will continue to be updated as millions more are tested and when the ones who test positive are investigated to uncover even more who have or have had it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandman66
I personally that that since a vaccine is maybe 18 months or more away, speculation on the spread of this disease is inexact and will probably exceed most current expectations anyways.
I agree whole heartedly with MissJen. The flu is everywhere and we have always traveled anyway. Now there is a particularly nasty strain, and the media is doing what they do. Trying to make it a big story so they can keep your attention. That's their job, to get people to read, watch, click on their stories. I am flying to California tomorrow. We will do what we always do on airplanes, keep my fingers away from my face, and mouth, wash my hands, and try to use common sense ( that last part is a big challenge for me). I won't stop traveling, and I wont worry, worry never helped anything.
The big difference? There is a flu shot available. Imagine if a strain of flu develops and spreads that there is no known vaccination to slow it down or stop it. Right now, that is what we have with the coronavirus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markis
Taking precautions will obviously help but it is pretty easy to spot a person sick with the flu in the communicable stages. Easier to avoid that than a person who looks like everyone else and still in the incubation process.
I am buying a ticket to go back to Jamaica this year and this won't change my plans either.
Yes exactly. Thank you for explaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarryS
Don't panic. Just take sensible precautions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homebrewer
Yes that is true. In 18 months things will have ... stabilized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Accompong
This is only an issue for people planning travel in the next few months.
I am not posting "false information". I am posting my deductions. You may think my deductions are incorrect. My deductions may in fact be incorrect. But since I have an advanced degree from Harvard (mathematics) and have studied and/or worked professionally in computer science, biology (evolutionary and population biology (which includes epidemiology)) ... my deductions are more likely to be correct than yours, Rob. However I do thank you for replying to my post. And for being a moderator on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob
Is this an informed medical opinion or a gut response? I don't see any evidence that might be true. More testing will undoubtedly uncover more cases and, in some countries, they are either unable or unwilling to go to the extreme measures necessary to stop the spread.Quote:
Originally Posted by rtitle
Thinking that warm weather will stop the virus and similar attempts to tamp down fear are like whistling past a graveyard.
In my opinion...
I didn't post any deductions, I posted the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by rtitle
If you want to post your deductions, please qualify them as such. To state your deduction as a fact, you are posting false information no matter what your degrees...
See my preceding post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Accompong
OK. I will continue to post. Please don't censor me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob
[The preceding was neither a deduction nor was it "information". It was a request.]
does anyone here know if you have to keep eggs in the fridge...?
On a lighter note ............. not in Jamaica or other areas that do not wash eggs before selling them. The trade-off for beautifully spotless and bacteria-free eggs is that washing also removes a thin, filmy, protective outer layer called the cuticle. This cuticle is the magical natural shield that keeps bacteria out of an egg while letting oxygen circulate. Without a cuticle, eggs need to be kept cold—not for the product itself, but to discourage bacterial growth in and on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDd
Right good post, Nurse Jen. This is what I'm doing. Even better than hand washing because it's a public service too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MissJen
https://youtu.be/jxd5mdiesMM
Stay safe everyone. Peace and love, Richard
Promised explanation is here: https://negril.com/forum/showthread....l=1#post215492
Any of *you* could unwittingly be the one who carries the infection in...
Think about it...
Please don't go.
I am in the United States now.
I had moved to Jamaica. I came back to US for visit. Planned to return to Jamaica but have decided not to. Why? See preceding posts.
Living in Jamaica full time takes commitment. During the years I lived "six months there and six months here", I realized I wasn't ready to commit. You can always find a good reason not to do something and that is why I never bought a house there.Quote:
Originally Posted by rtitle
From reading your previous posts, I take it that you feel everything will be stabilized in a year or so and then you will want to return. Seems a shame that you had not waited until then to buy your house and finally commit.
I'm confused...I know Rtitle said he bought a house here in Jamaica...but I didn't think he'd moved here full time...there IS quite a bit of difference in visiting long term to actually living somewhere full time!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Accompong
Rtitle...it seems I missed you saying you'd moved here full time.
Sorry you've decided not to return. It really does take a commitment as Accompong has pointed out...it's not always easy and it's just not for everyone.
I think he said he "moved to Jamaica" and was only home visiting and wanted to wait until it was safer from the virus to return. If I am incorrect about that, then I will stand corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bnewb
I continue to say to people that I live between here and Jamaica even though I am now only spending about two months a year there. I am anticipating that to change soon and plan to increase it up to 5 - 6 months but bi-yearly doctor's appointments would not permit me to commit full time to Jamaica and I am good with that. To me, there is such a thing as "too much of a good thing". My biggest problem is that the "good thing" is both here and in Jamaica. I guess I like living here in So. Florida too much to leave it.
Respect.
Here's what I found on the internet:Quote:
Originally Posted by JDd
Fresh duck eggs keep for about 2 weeks if kept cool and for about 6 weeks once refrigerated. Fertile hatching eggs are fine for about 10 days and of course should be placed in an incubator as soon as possible once received.
Quail eggs should be stored in the carton and kept refrigerated at all times, below 40 F.