Perfect. I just might use that one too.Quote:
Originally Posted by billndonna
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Perfect. I just might use that one too.Quote:
Originally Posted by billndonna
Sweetness,smiles are the best thing anyone can give,if everyone smiled as much as we do life would be so much better for everyone ;>}
I NEVER give out that info.....Lots of reasons they are asking and not necessarily positive...always better to be low key in Jam...dont tell your coming/goings and for goodness sake dont be giving out your phone number# to people you've just met or only know for a few days/weeks..etc..Take there # if you think you need it...( i've seen/heard this done by many visitors-many with negative consequences in the end)
I mean serious, why do they need to know this info or why do they care where your staying and when your leaving???
And yes, some may just be starting a innocent,friendly conversation, I realize that...But if its someone i dont know real well..Then no, i wont give out that info and will change the topic and start a new friendly conversation-their are other "ice-breakers" out there...
SG...that would just be common sense....don't give out your personal information anywhere unless necessary.
This whole advice about people not knowing your comings & goings I find to be quite weak & needlessly creating a paranoid atmosphere.
The flip side of this, is that it's often better that you let people know where you're going so that if something is out of the ordinary, they know where you should have been & when you're likely to return. Security guards will often ask just for this reason...nothing wrong with letting the front desk know either.
The number of times people are asked where they're staying during busy season I'm sure is in the thousands per day...and still everyone knows Negril has a very low incident of tourist crimes.
I agree with RockRobster...if someone really wants to know something, anywhere, it's not impossible to find out.
Again...common sense rules!
Thanks for that Bnewb. We can easily remove the reference to Negril in this conversation. Its universal. Common sense.
Common Sense= I know what it is.....My posting was my viewpoint-nothing more or less..If you dont agree with it or see it some other way(weak,breeding paranoia,etc), thats cool with me.I respect our difference of opinions..I'm not going to criticize your viewpoint or opinion...I just see it differently..To each his own..
(I will say that living out in the country in Jam-some things run differently than in Negril -it is not "universal"...)
so were ARE you staying, suzen????
HA HA HA..very funny Gerry..If you run into to me then MAYBE i will tell you (LOL)...You usually have to be out in the Cockpit country to spot me-.But as you know I do make an appearance in Negril every now and then...Quote:
Originally Posted by gerryg123
The question here has to do with being in Negril as a tourist not living in "country"....no one has asked about that here...I think you may be confusing the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by suzengrace
For tourists visiting Negril & suggesting that people not tell their comings & goings can be harmful advice.
A visitor to Negril has no reason to act differently than they would visiting any other place. This is what Dash was referring to as universal...it's the same everywhere & common sense applies.
Even when I come to visit in Negril and stay at a hotel (as a visitor)I still do not give out to strangers any info where staying ,etc..Most people may be fine with doing that-no harm come of it..Others could unknowingly be a target in some way-lots of opportunists in tourist towns -esp. during these harder economic times and esp in a developing nation.. and its not the same everywhere in the world..IMHO(ive traveled to many other developing nations )......but i again, respect your opinion Bnewbie and the fact that we can agree to disagree..
Just want everyone to have a safe,stress-free,enlightening time when they visit the beautiful country of Jam...
SG...I guess I don't agree with you. I don't advise giving out personal information to strangers anywhere...this is where I feel the common sense applies & applies to anywhere in the world. This includes developing countries OR developed countries.
I wouldn't do it in LA, NYC, London, Singapore, Trelawny etc...to me this applies everywhere.
But, from my experience living here...it does make sense to tell your resort where you're going...again another common sense safety precaution.
Exactly...just say negril ,Jam, In a place, etc.....better to be vague than be sorry,,,Lots of ears around even when you dont see them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Limo Mon
And Bnewb-I dindt know this conversation pertained to the management that works at the hotel your staying at...Of course you should let them know if your going out for the day, with who,etc..nothing wrong with that and is a wise move..But why does this question/converstation pertain to them anyway??? Doesnt the hotel management know your staying there and the dates??? I thought this was about chance meeting with strangers/or people you dont know real well you encounter that ask you these questions-not the hotel employees working there..:confused:
Omg
I love Jamaica but its not my neighbourhood. I love Negril but its not my back yard. I read of some extraordinary adventures of some boardies often enhanced by different influences and am convinced that God takes care of fools and drunks! (I include myself) It is only because of the nature of most Jamaicans that we come out relatively unscathed. Reenforcing the need to use common sense in response to questions without being too paranoid is not a bad thing.
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Originally Posted by suzengrace
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Originally Posted by Bnewb
Suzen,Quote:
Originally Posted by suzengrace
It would seem that you are the one who made this conversation pertain to management. You stated, emphatically I might add, that you NEVER give out information and specifically brought up your comings and goings. You did not qualify it, you only stated you never give it out.
Bnewb correctly pointed out that this is not the best advice and could be potentially harmful. She said that the security staff and the front desk staff would be very appropriate people to inform of your comings and goings.
I am sorry that you did not read and/or understand her post completely. But that is no reason to become combative.
No one in this thread suggested that you should go around and tell details of your personal information to all those who ask. Everyone on this board is much smarter than that, so please keep that in mind when posting.
You have also been suggesting that one needs to act differently in Negril than they would elsewhere. This advice puzzles me. The idea that you should not tell your personal information to complete strangers holds true everywhere on the planet, it is never a good idea to do that anywhere. There is absolutely nothing different about Negril or Jamaica in that regard. Being vague to strangers should be your policy everywhere, not just developing countries.
And Suzen, I think it is only fair that everyone understands the true dynamics here and are not misinformed. When claims are made, people should know a bit about those who are providing the advice. It is one thing to say you live in Jamaica, and another to actually be living here.
According to the Jamaica Tourist Board, the definition of a tourist is covering all who travel for recreation, holiday, business, religion, sport, family reasons, professional or intellectual pursuits, staying at least 24 hours, i.e. overnight, but not more than a year. Excluded are permanent emigrants, diplomats, consular representatives, armed forces personnel and intransit visitors.
In a post above, you claim you live out in the country (Trelawny). Yet all of the over 200 posts you have made so far this year and all the ones made last year have been made from Southern California. This is a handy feature of all forum/message board software. And a quick check that everyone can see (just click on your name and choose Show Forum Posts) shows that you have made numerous posts in every month of the year so far.
On the other hand, every single one of Bnewb's some 400 post this year have been made from right here in Jamaica. That is because she actually lives here and has been daily for years.
Bnewb and I live successfully here in Jamaica. We live in the country near Negril, but it makes no difference where you live - Jamaica is Jamaica be it Negril, Kingston, MoBay or Trelawny. There is no place "more Jamaican" than other places.
I am sorry to all that I feel the need to point this out, but I guess, as the title of this thread said, what "I cant stand" is when people claim to live here when they dont. It does get tiring year after year to hear people claim they live here. But it is worse when bad advice is given and then defended based on this false claim.
It never ceases to amaze me that people turn off their common sense when they go on vacation. The same rules of interaction apply in Negril and the rest of Jamaica as anywhere else. If you wouldn't do it at home, don't do it on vacation.
On some of our first trips to the island, we used to do the all inclusive route. I sandals first, then couples for a number of years. When we first went to the duty free shopping place on our own, not with a tour) I was always surprised when the proprietors of some of the shops flat out asked us how we liked couples, sandals, what have you... It took me three trips before I realized that they were used to seeing the unmarked key or lanyard styles the different resorts use, and simply figured it out without me saying anything.
That said though, I think the only thing that I get tied of hearing is... You want a taxi? Mind you, the second I do want a taxi, no one is around, but that is another story :). My wife and I even have made a game of seeing hiw many times we will be asked that or other questions on the way.
I agree with not giving out information, including to hotel staff and security. I don't do it at home or on vacation.
There are more than a few expats who live in Jamaica, but don't really have a clue how deep the runnings can get - but that subject is not tourist fodder. Wishing everyone an Irie Day!
Amen Rob
Goldilocks,Quote:
Originally Posted by goldilocks
If an expats doesnt learn the runnings or "how deep the runnings" are as you say, then they will not be living here long. Both Bnewb and I have seen this happen more times than we can count. But all successful expats do figure that out - that comes with living here day to day for years - there is no way to avoid learning it. Those that fail may not have learned the runnings or had been doomed by taking bad advice from those who thought they knew the runnings.
But it is sound advice to let the hotel staff know where you are going and when you should be expected back, there is no harm in doing so. And in my decades of experience here, there has been several occasions where helpful staff have assisted when things went amiss. As the credit card commercial says, priceless.
CaptainD answered this very well..
It isn't the question, but the questioner. These rules apply no matter what city or country you are in.
If I was in Negril and a beach higgler approached me while walking the beach and asked the questions, my answers would be vague.
If Clarol working the bar at Seastar Inn asked me where I was going and when I was coming back as I was heading to the gate, I wouldn't hesitate to answer her.
Enjoy,
VVHT
heheheehhee , OMG is right Sweetness !! Jeezam Peece!
Make a good judgement call to whom you give your personal info. Dat is what it boils down to , I think.
I agree about not giving out too much info to too many folks - especially those you don't know. "Been here a bit...staying local....always sooner than I'd like...." BUT as a single woman who travels solo, I know there is value in letting CERTAIN PEOPLE know something about your comings and goings.... and letting it be known that CERTAIN PEOPLE will know where you should be and may come looking for you should you not show up when you should. If I can't trust the security guards or the front desk people at my hotel with some basic information to protect my safety - then I need to stay somewhere else.
I have been fortunate enough to have been coming to the same places now for a number of years and I have made some very good acquaintances in town, at some local businesses and on the beach. It makes me feel good when I can walk into a beach bar, greet the bartender and be told "I already knew you were here - I saw you in Green Island this morning." Or when I can stop and chat up Capt. Mike as he makes his rounds on the beach and other people see him greet me warmly. Not only does it give me a sense of belonging, but it does send out a message to those who might consider making me a target. "Nah - lets mess with somebody else that no one is looking out over...."
As I have said many times over, "when you pack your suitcases to travel ... don't forget to bring along your common sense."
Peace.
I wonder if people are more inclined to give out personal information to other tourists than to locals?
I was thinking the samething.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mort
I learned my lesson a long time ago...i tell no one where i stay or how long i will be there unless it is somebody that I know and/or trust.
I will tell 10 people 10 different answers...oh I'm at BarBBarn...oh I'm at CoCoLaPalm......
i have had a few folks come check for me at the hotel or be "conviently" walking down the road!!!
And I tell them my name is Susan, Tanya, Bonquisha....anything other than my real name.
I attract STALKERS!!!!
Rob..I dont live fulltime as you-I do live partime- I have a home i built,pay utilities, etc.in Jam....My main form of income is in the states....Thus the need to travel back and forth on reg.basis...Just becasue i'm not a fulltime resident as you-does not mean i dont live there...Many people have have homes in Jam and elsewhere in the world --They "live" in both places....
Of course. I would trust Clarol with my life! She is incredible even though I sometimes drive her crazy asking her every morning to reheat leftovers for me ....Quote:
Originally Posted by VVHT
For the record : i thought based on the posters question this was about having chance encounters with strangers you did not know..It does not state or nor did i get the idea from the "original" poster that this was about the hotel staff you were staying at questioning you..Why would this even be an issue?? of course they should know when your STAYING and when your LEAVING ..their the management of the hotel..thats their business. I did not see anywhere where the poster asked about leavning your info as far as coming and going from the hotel you were staying at... If that WAS the question then sure, I'd say it would be a wise move on most accounts if you feel comfortable with the staff knowing this-if you didnt feel comfortable,maybe you should stay somewhere else ...My feedback was based on strangers you just met..not hotel staff here you were staying at(of course their going to know where your staying and when your coming/going)..Two separate issues ..Never did i make mention of "mangement" that you say I did
I'm offended you think by looking up my IT log in record that you discern that i dont Live there... You know nothing about me or my life by an IT address in S.Cali..
none of my business, but I will only add that I thought we were talking about strangers coming up to you, not telling staff where u r going.
I agree with vvht, and rambo, on their views....
Sometimes I'll read a thread that nearly kills my vibe......................
Then again, I never told my ex-wife where I was going, either ...... I found I was better off that way!
^^^^^^ Hahahahahahahaha Thanks for making me laugh GerryG!
I thought that was a bit intrusive also.Quote:
Originally Posted by suzengrace
"Also, I would love to have those questions asked! It would mean I was in Jamaica!" :)
DITTO for me. Just be polite whatever you say~~ PEACE !
Mort,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mort
Everyone on the internet has an IP address. It is how the internet works. Without them, there would be no way for you to see the page that you click on. All internet sites and servers record this information.
For some sites, the IP determines what you are able to view on the site. For instance, Hulu will block IPs from countries that are not the USA, Jamaican IPs are blocked from seeing certain shows on Hulu. Also, so basic things like Google.com will show up as Google.com.jm when accessing Google from Jamaica.
IPs are also used to compile traffic statistics for websites - showing how much traffic comes from each country.
Message Board/Forum software all store IP address and are used to record where the posts are being made and aid in the verification of the information being posted, as well as helping to prevent spammers from plying their trade. All message boards record this information, and the more intrusive sites actually will display this information on the post themselves - allowing everyone to see the poster's real IP address. We have turned off this option to protect privacy.
Will there be a quiz or exam on this topic afterwards? Got a bit too serious,,,,but anyway,,,,,HOW bout those Yankees ??? Think its gonna rain today ????
I could be wrong, but I thought the poster was expressing how he hated being reminded of the dreadful departure day/hour/time to leave paradise, not necessarily dishing personal information to anyone. It evolved into what it is now…Quote:
Originally Posted by suzengrace
If that’s the case, then I’m with you Fred Stripe…don’t make me think about leaving, it makes my heart ache big time. :(