NBCC - The rest of the story/after story from Mrs. Gaynair

I also posted this to Christine's thread but wanted to post it here for those who may not get back to the other thread.

The rest of the story & the after-story from Mrs. Gaynair who asked me to post this for her...

I have been taking care of visitors to Negril for over 30 yrs. It's important to me to maintain their safety. I always try to brief visitors about their responsibility as well. Initially I had no doubt about the entry to Christine’s room but, after her boyfriend’s death threat and demand for cash from the security manager, it left everyone concerned in doubt now. She checked in with her Jamaican boyfriend in late October & spent 8 nights in that room before the incident took place. Her front door has a working dead bolt lock and a chain. The patio door has a chain and a lock plus the stick which everyone is advised to use as an extra security measure (posted on the door... a reminder to use all locks & observe security measures). This was her first time staying at the Beach Club.

According to security, her Jamaican boyfriend has stayed and visited guests on the property on a few occasions in the past. Security observed that Christine‘s friend had a lot of local visitors coming to their apartment, staying late and cooking, some were not allowed in. The night in question they had a dinner party and were up late, they did not lock their patio door, they admitted that to me and other guests that they never used the chain or the stick. After they made the report of their loss to the police ($100us and $25ca, 2 cell phones, etc.) I told her and her friend that they have to take some of the blame as they left the door open/did not lock it. I gave her the $100us cash. Her camera and 2 cell phones will be covered by NBCC insurance which was reported. She also had travel insurance for which she got the report from the police to make the claim.

However, early next morning her friend went to the security manager, demanded money, threatened his life, and said he'd stab him with scissors and "blood him up" if he did not pay him $400 us for his phone, $600 us for camera and $400 us for Christine's cell phone. He has also threatened other workers.

The security manager had to call in the police and file a report of the death threat by her boyfriend. The boyfriend returned to the hotel again after they'd checked out and continued to demand money. The police had to be called in and they removed him and asked him not to return to the property. Since that time, the police concluded he is of questionable character, unemployed, and possibly robbed himself. He told me & the security chief that if we did not give him the money he demanded, Christine was going on the internet to spread his story.

Thank you for posting.

Wowzas

Indeed, those details were left out earlier....thats insane

Thanks for telling
The rest of the story

sounds like a nice guy .....

Thanks for further clarifying my earlier post. This is insane! I did see Patrick back on the property while, and after Christine checked out. He was by himself for the most part. I was unaware of his threats but that is what was going on during this time. Jean Gaynair runs a clean proper operation and this is completely unfair to her and to the hotel. Let's see it dropped now that the truth willed out.

When we stayed there Jean did take the time to show us that besides the chain the patio door had a stick as as extra measure for security and told us that if we were gone or sleeping to make sure and have it in place and we were on the 2nd floor. She is a lovely lady who cares about those staying on the property.

lawd of mercy.........and you wonder how come Jamaica gets a bad rap sometimes........

what a beehive and the only person to blame......is the person themselves.........
and no matter how dem want to try to spin this.......it's uncalled for........period

if you are letting a Jamaican(s) into your rooms in Paradise........
you only have yourself to blame if sumthin goes bad.........
mi have absolutely no sympathy for travelers that are asking for sumthin bad to happen.........

mind you this doesn't happen all the time......but when it does it's very unfortunate.....for everyone

mi admit I feel bad for the resorts and hotels that are so kind to let Jamaicans on to their property and then have to put up with this chit.....

Cool Runnings, Marko

There are a lot of female sex tourists in Negril, more and more every year.
They've created a harassment problem for women who are not there looking for the big bamboo - you read about it on this board - constant and pressuring harassment on the beach and in town, everywhere.

My wife gets hassled all the time when she's alone - and it really pisses her off.

Many of the male prostitutes have the attitude that ALL women are there looking to hook up with locals.
Yah - I know, the women don't think of their guys as prostitutes - they're "boyfriends" - whatever . . .

It's a problem that has been created by the demand. The gigalos have big egos and high expectations and sometimes things go off the rails -

I might be harsh - but I really have no sympathies for the men and women who get ripped off (or worse) by prostitutes, wherever they may be - Negril, New York, Ottawa . . .

The universe is unfolding as it should, its a self correcting model. As few more stories like this - or worse - and the word will get out -- the female sex tourists will back off a bit.

It will get worse until it gets better.

K3

You all are welcome. I am happy to have posted this for Jean Gaynair. I was aware even before receiving her e-mail that this boyfriend has other girlfriends who visit him from foreign. I also knew about the no door locking. Also other facts that Christine left out, lied about. I knew what she was doing was wrong.

Yes, I will promote this property & continue to stay there. Although I've stayed there many times, for many years, the majority of my stays have been in my TS unit there. Only when it is non-TS time do I stay in NBCC (maybe 7-10). From those stays, from my TS stays, from years of knowing Jean Gaynair, I knew Christine's story was very, very wrong from the start.

In this country, when such falsehoods are told there are legal avenues to correct the injustice. By posting truths to Christine's thread & now posting Jean Gaynair's e-mail, I hope I can take the edge off the untruths that have already been spread.

I have stayed at NBCC many, many times. Jean Gaynair is a wonderful person. Sorry this has happened.

Well said Kahuna.....

Well Christine, if all this is true I hope you dumped your "boyfriend" by now. The guy sounds like a winner. If the guy is threatening others with their life, it will only be a matter of time before he turns on you.

I really have nothing to add to this because I do sympathize with the resort owners that have to deal with "riff raff" when they allow locals on the premises, BUT MAYBE Christine was not aware of this guys reputation.....man, don't want to say it, but thinga are not always as they seem in Ja. It is up to the individual to discern the facts & Christine has maybe had a "wake-up" call. Sorry you got taken Christine,,,,it has happened to MANY!!

Northcoast,

It would seem to me things are once again exactly as they appear in Jamaica. A prostitute by any other name is still a prostitute. Whether called a hooker, a gigolo, a beach boy or your "friend", prostitutes are the same the world over. Being "taken" by a prostitute is possibly one of the oldest stories in human history. It is so common in your experience that even you say it has happened to so many.

It is interesting that Bnewb made a rather prophetic post early in the other thread. She mentioned an unrelated incident at a different resort. We have all come to learn that this current incident has many similarities to the incident she posted, including the threat to use the internet to spread a manipulated version of the facts as has once again happened. For her to be able to have done that would mean that things are indeed as they seem when you see them for what they really are, and dont try to make them fit the way you would want them to be.

Not wanting to believe/admit that you are with a prostitute does not mean that things are not as they appear, it simply means that that person is not willing to see things as they really are...

I am really sorry somebody got robbed it is awful and the poster should have posted the full story if a story was to be posted not half of a story.That said she still got robbed and I bet it was a shocking and upsetting time for her.
The poster should have said the full story and Jean could have perhaps spoken for herself.
I would be very upset to have this happen to myself and I do sympathise with the poster but I would never sleep in a room with a broken lock and leave the door open while I have expensive items strewn around strangers in a foreign land.I am really sorry to hear this happened to you poster BUT please make better choices next time you do not use a safe or hang with strangers or sleep in a foreign country with doors unlocked.It is trouble tempting.
It was kind of Jean to replace some funds a lot of places would not.
It is clear the place needs to step up in regards to security I hope they do but tourists need to use common sense and play their part too.If theres a lock on the door USE it.If no lock or broken lock do you sleep in bed with door wide open with holiday friends with expensive equipment lying around?
Sad story, sorry it happened, now you have told us at least we can all think about this and be aware.

Sometimes the person is not "aware" of what is going on, not "unwilling" to see it. It becomes apparent at a later date! That is when the person sees that it was NOT as they have perceived.

Totally agree northcoast very unfortunate but come on NOT locking your door in Jamaica? or anywhere.If I had two security guards sitting in my garden I would lock my door.They are not there for no reason.

What a strange twist it would be if HE was the one paying .... that would explain why he apparently is so hard-up for cash!!!

Northcoast,

Exactly. When you are unaware of something and try to make it fit to some preconceived ideal that you hold, then you are not seeing as it really is. Trying to make something you really dont understand fit into what you want it to be does not mean it is not as it seems, just that you do not have enough knowledge yet to pass any judgement.

Getting back to the point at hand, if your new "friend" is available for you for the duration of your stay, does not appear to actually work anywhere in a real job, yet has nice clothes and treats you more special than other people have and all this time you are footing the bill, maybe a red flag should go up.

Lets be fair, when it comes to prostitutes, it should be rather apparent when you are with one...

Hey, Jamaica is another planet, as far as I'm concerned & I've been here for 6 years! We always lock our doors at night & when we leave, but if guests are here & I am here NOBODY needs to lock any doors because we have a gated property & dogs (as sweet as they are, locals are afraid of them(....they never are a problem for the guests though, because the dogs KNOW they belong there. We do not have robberies on our property. Christine just needs to learn runnings.

I agree with Northcoast AND Rob. So many women travel to foreign and are completely taken by surprise at the amount of attention they get from men. And, forgive me if this sounds horrible, but these men usually take advantage of insecure women that in most other circumstances would have a hard time getting a date with a good looking, fit, guy. Again, it sounds bad but it is what it is. So that being said, a lot of them are naive to what really goes on with these guys and they think they are the "one", the love of these guys life. So Rob is correct because Yes, it IS what it seems. The problem is, everyone else knows what it is, and usually it's the woman that sees nothing.

"Lets be fair, when it comes to prostitutes, it should be rather apparent when you are with one..."

LOL! I love picking them out of the crowd......

TicToc... please re-read Mrs. Gaynair's e-mail. She does not visit the board & does not post here. That's why she asked me to post for her.

To clarify... NBCC rooms have 1.) deadbolts & chains on the room doors & 2.) locks, chains, & wooden sticks for the patio/balcony doors. The OP of the other thread DID NOT USE the locks & - at the time of the break in - admitted such. Only when posting here on the board did she report any problems w/ locks, i.e., her "story" on the board was not the original version, the truthful version. It was altered considerably as well as important facts left out completely. Only when her friend's extortion demands were not met did she come to the board & post her "story".

I have stayed in at least 5 different NBCC rooms in the last 10 years & all had all of the above, all in good working order, plus the sign on the door reminding guests to use all security measures. It is my responsibility to use them & I do. Christine chose not to then changed her story when she posted here on Negril.com. Sadly, for her, that poor choice had negative consequences... the theft.

They have a security guard at the front gate who signs in visitors, monitors vehicles coming in. Another patrols the beach. Agreed, they need more but, again, it is not Mrs. Gaynair's call as she is only one of many on the property. Overall property management makes those decisions. Someone unfamiliar w/ the property might suggest that she hire extra security herself for the NBCC units but that would be difficult as they are located throughout the property, not in one area. Yes, it would be good to have a roaming security guard again but if he's monitoring one side of the property, a thief could be breaking in on the other side. If it's an inside job, i.e., Jamaican boyfriend or friend of the Jamaican boyfriend, no amount of security can prevent theft. There are no easy answers other than that we, as guests, be responsible & use common sense.

The OP wrote a similar post on a different travel site, and she reported using the wooden stick ....

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Originally Posted by gerryg123

The OP wrote a similar post on a different travel site, and she reported using the wooden stick ....

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gerry... please PM so I can alert that board that this woman is posting untruthful information. Right now the only thing truthful she's saying is that she had items stolen from her room. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by gerryg123

The OP wrote a similar post on a different travel site, and she reported using the wooden stick ....

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There's no way that sliding glass door can open if the wood stick was in place. Somebody mentioned on another post that one could lift the door off the track and then slide the door over but the stick is not a stick in the sense of it being long and thin but rather it's think like a a 2by4.

I'm not surprised the OP is posting on other travel sites as she is following through on the threat. What is sad to me is that she probably really does like this guy and has no idea what his reputation truly is. Even if she were to bring it to his attention and ask him the truth, we are virtual strangers to her while he is her boyfriend so we all know where her belief/trust will be placed. I would also like to think that she was not aware of the additional threats he made.

Trip advisor:

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Rev...l_Jamaica.html

OK, the truth is out, that's great, however, what precautions will be taken to prevent this from happening again, may I suggest, that "LOCALS" perhaps should "NOT" be allowed on Hotel, Motel, rented rooms, condo's property's, This should be in the 'contract' before you are allowed to check in, the tourist does "NOT" have to agree with such policy's, but unfortunately won't be permitted to stay there.. I am concerned, that I can be staying somewhere, and because of someone's else's lack of judgement, I could be harmed or robbed as well... I truly feel bad for Mrs.Gaynair,-who I have never even met- but please, change your policy immediately so history does "NOT" repeat itself. Don't be motivated by $, to just rent your rooms, learn from this tragic situation, and implement "NEW" policies, so this never happens again, as you sound like a wonderful people person, and very accommodating to your "NOT" so "honest" guests.. If I wasn't leaving early in the morning, I would come and give you a hug... xo

Christine you should be ashamed of yourself, for only telling 1/2 truths, perhaps, you should vacation else where in the future, as Jamaica does "not" deserve or need this ongoing negative reputation, from tourists who make poor choices, in "local men or local women"...

Former Ocho girlie, and now " NEW" Negril girlie :)

Have fun Lovely!!

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Originally Posted by Jamerican71

Trip advisor:

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Rev...l_Jamaica.html

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Thank you! I looked at TA earlier, just not in the right place. Someone else sent me the link. It'd be nice if others also sent them a comment regarding what was posted.

Good idea Lovely, unfortunately not feasable. Mrs. Gaynair manages about 30 or so condos of the almost 90 (86, I think) condos/rooms located on the property. Many condos are Jamaican owned, many Jamaican families stay there on their vacations. That means their relatives will be there to visit when the family is in Negril. Also, when a visitor registers their local "friend", they are a guest, not a visitor. Probably they will target the person they are visiting, not other guests.

More than once I've been in the lobby there on my computer in the early a.m. when a hotel - not NBCC - guest came down to report a theft. They had invited someone they met in a club to their room. When they dozed off (passed out perhaps), they woke up to find valuables gone. Then they complain that their room was robbed & blamed the hotel for allowing them to bring a guest in! Even though this could be prevented by what you suggest, odds are once they get what they want from the woman who picked them up at the club, they'll be gone, not looking for other victims. At least I hope so.

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Originally Posted by rastagal

I agree with Northcoast AND Rob. So many women travel to foreign and are completely taken by surprise at the amount of attention they get from men. And, forgive me if this sounds horrible, but these men usually take advantage of insecure women that in most other circumstances would have a hard time getting a date with a good looking, fit, guy. Again, it sounds bad but it is what it is. So that being said, a lot of them are naive to what really goes on with these guys and they think they are the "one", the love of these guys life. So Rob is correct because Yes, it IS what it seems. The problem is, everyone else knows what it is, and usually it's the woman that sees nothing.

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This observation is not gender-dependent. Plenty of men want to be with a fit, beautiful woman, but don't possess the looks/personality/money to pull it off. Some of theses guys, like the gals. get overwhelmed with feminine attention. I suspect an equal number of men have been ripped off by their JA "GF's", but being male, they are hesitant to report to the world that they have been ripped off by a woman, for fear of ridicule. Plus, I suspect a male may be more likely to take the attitude that the loss in the theft is part of the price paid for sex(rationalization) and therefore not report it.

However, I doubt the male is rarely surprised their JA GF is in it for the $$$$, while it seems the female often is.....vive la difference!

Wow!! What gets me is lovely this isn't your country or mine.. "locals" should be allowed to stay where ever they want. They have the right to stay at any hotel or establishment they want. They shouldn't be banned.. They live here we just vacation. Yea the chick made a dumb ass mistake. Yea she shouldn't be running around to all the sites lying about what really happened. Yea she got conned. You live and you learn. Hopefully she learned.

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Originally Posted by Lovely

OK, the truth is out, that's great, however, what precautions will be taken to prevent this from happening again, may I suggest, that "LOCALS" perhaps should "NOT" be allowed on Hotel, Motel, rented rooms, condo's property's, This should be in the 'contract' before you are allowed to check in, the tourist does "NOT" have to agree with such policy's, but unfortunately won't be permitted to stay there.. I am concerned, that I can be staying somewhere, and because of someone's else's lack of judgement, I could be harmed or robbed as well... I truly feel bad for Mrs.Gaynair,-who I have never even met- but please, change your policy immediately so history does "NOT" repeat itself. Don't be motivated by $, to just rent your rooms, learn from this tragic situation, and implement "NEW" policies, so this never happens again,

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I have to disagree with this suggestion Lovely and the reason being is that your idea of banning all locals seems to me to be unfair and makes them seem outcasts and unwanted like they are all bad and I think that creates even more amniosity.

When I travel to Jamaica I have extended family living there who are very good to myself and my family and many times we will go to pick them up in a bus and bring them back to Negril for a long weekend and pay to have them stay with us as a little holiday and a thankyou to them before we all go to stay at their homes.

No local Jamaican who has ever come to stay with me has ever stolen anything or caused any problems at all not a single one.

So I do not think banning all Jamaicans from hotels in their country is the answer I think it is very unfair.

I realise there are thiefs but I have stayed in places worldwide where tourists thief from each other too.

This "half" of a story we were told later emerged that there were preventative measures which could have possibly stopped this robbery from happening.A lot of things could have stopped it

((Thanks Yvonne for clearing up the issue that they do have working locks))

I have heard of a couple of thefts down there though , perhaps some are in the hotel section and the lock situation is worse there?

Either way I am saddened to hear that because of lack of using common sense that it has made someone think along the lines of lets ban all Jamaicans.

What next? Ban them from the beach? Ban them from the concerts? From the area?
If someone does not want to be around Jamaicans they could always not choose to go to Jamaica or stay at the ultru secluded all inclusives where you would only see Jamaicans in a work setting.

As a mother of a child who has Jamaican roots and my direct family ~ Husband and all of my inlaws all being either Locals or from Jamaican background.If a hotel in Jamaica said only I was welcome due to where I was born or colour of skin or whatever else they wished to base it on.There is no way I would even go near a place like that.I find something very wrong with the picture of banning a countries own people from facilities on offer there.
There are thiefs and drugs in my own country but I do not expect to be banned from using local hotels and spas and restaurants because of them as I am not one.What would you say if your country started banning you from places? How would you feel?

It reminds me of a story I was once told about an excellent theme park in a place full of LOCAL children, It was a deprived area and was priced so high that all of the local children could only peep through the bars at all of the tourist children having fun.Most were hungry and not clothed too well but the owner got his land cheap and he was in it for the profit.They did not ban all locals but it was priced so high that none of them could afford it and it saddened me to think that people can knowingly hurt others like this and this is why I regularly do volunteer or charity work for children or LOCALS put in these situations.A simple solution could have been to have a free or very cheap day once every month for local people.
Kool runnings waterpark in Negril often has days where a lot of Locals come and enjoy the facilities.I do not know what they are charged but I have seen Jamaicans coming in big buses from Kingston and I enjoyed watching the children win more free tickets on stage in a dancing competition for the next time they came to visit.

I spent the day in the waterpark with bus loads of people from Kingston and I also stayed at a Breezes hotel that allowed locals to purchase weekend passes at a reduced price.That too was absolutely jam packed with Jamaicans and mostly from Kingston.

I was not robbed, I was not hurt and I chatted and enjoyed the fun along with the rest of them.

So I do not know what the answer is but BAN ALL JAMAICANS is a pretty low answer to me,That is a direct insult to Jamaicans and I cannot explain how it feels to be stood with a group of my own blood and family and me be welcome somewhere and they not and there is a contract put in front of me to sign explaining that I will be welcome but they will not.Would I sign? Yes ~ but not my name

It is not fair to say ban every single Jamaican because one woman had a local staying over -forgot to lock the door and got robbed.No one has even had a flicker of a thought that there could be tourists staying there who saw an opportunity and were not the most perfect of people and just took the opportunity to steal?It happens and a lot.While this story does sound like the Jamaican was possibly involved he could also have been very mad as he was not involved and really wanted his stuff back and could not afford to replace it.But I guess nobody has even given that a thought just lets ban them all.

Thank You TIC TOC!! Great minds think alike!!!

Tic Toc, you said it all!!!!!!

robbery and theft is horrible but . . . messing with these folks can give you the gift that kills - use condoms folks

I am glad to hear all side before I comment.I have stayed at NBCC many times over the years,have always locked all doors and have never had a problem.It's up to you to secure your room.Jean runs a nice inexpensive place to stay and I have had a great time everytime!

Stories like the one we heard about the theft (an obvious "agreement" between two consenting adults, and I am not JUDGING IT, ce la vie, but I would not myself ENGAGE in it) casts doubt on the real relationships that can develop between FRIENDS of the opposite sex in Jamaica.

The BIGGEST crime would be to judge everyone with the "arranged relationship" brush, or as Tic said, to jump to that conclusion every time. To do so, and ban a Jamaican from spending time anywhere in their own country because SOME people engage in those paid relationships, is not a tolerable offense. I understand why it's hard not to judge, but I hate the concept of relationships in Negril between a dark-skinned person and a light-skinned person being suspect. If I get that feeling at a resort, I won't stay there.

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Originally Posted by Seveen

robbery and theft is horrible but . . . messing with these folks can give you the gift that kills - use condoms folks

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Amen

and TicToc too....well put