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    Flip, Shawshank Redemption,, Best ... movie... ever... !!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo p View Post
    Flip, Shawshank Redemption,, Best ... movie... ever... !!!!!!!!!!!
    Jojo p.... Right on point. Indeed it is. Never turn it off when it is on. Can't do it.

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    Lol Flip... I am the Red to your Andy! Your comic relief is a true gift, friend.

    Fred- mad respect to you and the boys in blue everywhere. Your points are well taken and naming names of places with excellent records are every bit as valuable as those who have fallen shy or been victimized by complacency and/or bad judgement. Makes a good blue print for others to replicate success.

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    Paranoia Works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Stripe View Post
    Paranoia Works.
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    I'm very happy that you suffered no harm other than the loss of your items and cash. However, I still feel that the bigger responsibility here is to further the protection of other guests at the hotel you do not wish to name despite the speculation. That is protecting a building and a business over your fellow guests, and all future guests at all hotels. Imagine the following conversation back home:

    1st person: Hey, I just bought a new car a couple months ago, but the d#&n thing has been back in the dealers shop more than in my garage!
    2nd person: Really? What kind did you buy?
    1st person: Well, I don't want to say because it might look bad for the manufacturer. But watch out for problems because they happen!!!
    2nd person thinking: WTF?

    Protecting a business or building over the potential suffering or loss of another human being? Neither measure up to another persons loss, or far worse potential suffering as could easily happen as described by others here, especially the single woman on a peaceful weekend adventure. The "cautionary tale" as you described it does little to help prevent the same problem in the future without information on the actual place you were staying. Until then it will remain a "cautionary tale". What would be more valuable is better information for all here so that life, limb, and property an be protected and visitors could expect a peaceful stay. That will not happen by hoping it goes away or any given property is spared embarrassment, but only at the urging of many concerned travelers who make their wishes known to all hotels. At that point we could call it an pro-active tale.

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    Nobody is protecting the property... Its been named over and over on this thread..... As many regulars have mentioned, this type of thing has happened far too frequently to many we know personally, its time for a solution... and the solution is not to baracade yourself in your room, not to walk down the beach after dark, not to drive your scooter on the road at night, not to leave every valuable u own at home....

    I say hire an armed off duty police officer to protect guests/property at night. I say like mentioned before, u could catch these guys in a sting so easy, do it..... Let the public know when it works...

    Robbing people while they are in their room, robbing people walking down the beach, robbing people walking along the road during the day, robbing people while on their scooter, all with weapons is a bunch of crap and needs a serious effort to stop it...

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    I say hire an armed off duty police officer to protect guests/property at night. I say like mentioned before, u could catch these guys in a sting so easy, do it..... Let the public know when it works...
    Exactly my point. You can hire more and more security - many of them fall asleep in the middle of the night anyway - you can install door alarms, you can barricade yourself in your room, you can do all that you listed, but the tiefs will still be out and about and scoring.

    So, to keep doing what you are doing and to expect different results is simply idiotic.

    Nail the SOBs! Catch them in stings and display them in public. Kick their arses around Redground. Post their pictures on line and on Telephone poles and humiliate them. Put them in a cage in the back of a pick up and drive them around town with speakers blaring. Throw them in jail. A Jamaican jail is a very effective deterrent.

    Other thieves and would-be thieves would see this. If they know about stings and think they may sneak into a room that has a cop with a gun waiting inside they will be deterred. (In fact, they would probably be shot.) Remember, they are cowards.
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    I"m with ya..... Have a female undercover officer walk down the beach at night alone..... Have a undercover officer walk down the street with some bling during the day.... Have an undercover officer ride a scooter along the west end road, late at night.... Have an undercover officer stay in a room with a lot of stuff displayed..... Have an undercover officer flag down an unregistered taxi....

    These crimes aren't being committed against newbies looking for drugs, prostitution, whatever, these aren't people lurking around where they shouldn't be.... Normal folks tying to enjoy vacation.... On the beach, in their villa, on their scooter, walking along the road....

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    I understand why someone might not want to be specific about what hotel it happened in. It IS however, in this case, relevant information. Perhaps in your mind it could have 'happened' anywhere, but that's not actually the case. It didn't happen 'anywhere' or 'everywhere'. It happened where it happened. That it may have ALSO happened somewhere else is not relevant or your responsibility. The truth is that information about where it happened can very much help someone deduce from that how to adjust their security strategy. Especially the more one knows the landscape, the town, the geography of the beach, even the vibes of the individual places. I think it actually is very relevant which property it happened on, and while it's not their 'fault' per se- it is very much their responsibility, which is an important matter. You are not maligning or betraying or otherwise trashing the property or the proprieters by telling the truth about what happened. It's a security issue, first and foremost, so the secrecy about it only helps the people on the other side of this one. The more out in the open it is- the more incentive there is to not let it happen again, and the better chance there is of people as a whole sharing information to make it that much harder to do it again. I understand people have interests in not harming people's business or otherwise penalizing a business for something you are seeing as not their 'fault'. In this case, however there is larger issue at stake- which is people's safety and people having information to make an informed decision. I think you are perhaps being too lenient on the hotel. It is very much their responsibility to ensure safety. What if by mentioning the name of the hotel someone decides to stay somewhere else- presumably that is the situation you are trying to avoid which is understandable but what if by NOT mentioning the name- someone chooses that very spot where this did occur and then DOES get injured. What is the decision to withold the information going to seem like then? Isn't THAT the much bigger risk to take then that a place may lose business? It's natural to not want to throw an establishment under the bus, but in this case I think its interfering really with just giving people the information they need to make an informed decision, and this is not about who has nice lounge chairs or the best pina colada. This is people's safety at stake

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