"Grace of God" and 11 year grace period ?
Interesting stretch at equivalence.
"Grace of God" and 11 year grace period ?
Interesting stretch at equivalence.
11 years. Seems like abandoned piece of property. Let's wait over a decade, then we will bulldoze your house and livelihood at 3:30am.
Maybe there will be a new bar with 6 dollar dirty banana's soon.
I assume that some Canadian, or American must have development plans.
ESparks,Originally Posted by ESparks451
The "eviction" notices to evacuate these particular "capture land" areas in and around Negril have been reported in the local news media for about 3 years now. There were even follow up stories that second and third notices had been sent out. Everyone paying attention knew this was coming. That would make the 11 years more like 8, plus 3 years of notice to get off the land.
The 3:30am thing is weird, except that his was done at a time when there would be the least public visibility for both the evictors and the evictees. In this day with camera phones in every pocket, maybe this was the most tactful way to accomplish the eviction. Also, we dont know what time the eviction started, maybe there was some form of dialogue/negotiation phase that none of us are privy.
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Westender,
Since you know Negril and Jamaica so well, although never having lived here, wihile there is much difference in "amazing houses" and "board houses", there isnt under the law for squatters.
As was noted in a Gleaner article in February, the Courts blasted the Ministry of Housing for backing squatters - setting both the courts and government ministries at odds with the land owner rights coming out on top.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/2...ad/lead82.html
But as the article does state, the concrete structures in this thriving community were attempted to be made legal and given title. They refused for whatever reason and paid the price. You may want to inform your friends in Red Ground in those amazing houses that they are not immune. Or perhaps they have actually already made arrangements to become legal as that was a major undertaking by the government for the past few years. They want to get all home owners on the books so that they can pay property taxes. That is part of the new IMF agreement.
As far as "social circle" - there are only about 6000 residents total in Negril, so I am positive that we know many of the same people. And none of them are surprised, shocked or outraged that squatters who have had years of warnings to vacate the land that they do not own have been evicted. We all knew it was coming. Does your husband know that the squatters received about 3 years of notice before being evicted? If he did, how in the world does allowing squatting solve anything? Doesnt it just create new problems?
Other than those with handicaps, either physical or mental, everyone has that ability to help themselves. I know successful business owners who can barely read, they never had formal schooling, but they succeeded nevertheless. I am sure your husband knows some as well.
I live, visit, talk and interact with Jamaicans every single day, and even the one I am talking with right at this moment, who is one of the local drivers has no real respect for squatters. Of course he feels bad that the man was evicted, but the man had been given years of notice and they do not own the land, so he has no sympathy for him. My friend just told me that he respects a man who acts like a man. And that includes making your way in life instead of trying to take someone else's land.
I just dont see how you can suggest that illegal squatting is a practical solution to anything....
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This happens fairly frequently, doesn't it? I know I have seen a similar story to this quite a few times over the years. It seems that just a couple years ago it happened down on the river near the craft market.
So where did all the people go that lived in that eyesore next to the river in a nice touristy town? Are they camping out on the beach creating more eyesores? Oh and who got all that nice zinc roofing?
All kidding aside, I hope everyone has a roof over their head
Booger I do have a strong opinion, my own though based on years of travel there and my own conversations with many people in addition to my husband, isn't that how we all learn about others experience of life?? I also work in the field of child poverty and child protection, so have my own professional opinion about why things there are like they are.
Of course my husband has an opinion, he is and will always be Jamaican and grew up in negril. So he kind of does have it figured out. What an inane point lol.
Not surprised at the personal jab, seems to be the culture of this board. So sorry I'm not a boardie clone, with different opinions. That being said I am not referring to all boardies, but it's laughable at the same few on here that will jump on the same train no matter what.
You have your own opinions, based on what? many holidays there, mixing with a small amount of Jamaicans , who will always see you as a foreigner., oh and the experiences of hanging out with boardies there!! Please don't belittle my opinions without some self reflection. Your post was pointless in the discussion of this issue. Sorry that my guru is my husband and not Rob (sarcasm intended)
Also probably unlike most of you, I don't return to a non Jamaican / possibly white world in the uk....
Rob as I stated I haven't lived there, that's what I said, but your opinions and experiences are yours based on your own experience living there. To invalidate my viewpoints also serves to invalidate the majority of your customers ' boardies' on here as neither have most of them. I acknowledge that you have a lot of knowledge and experience, but I think your viewpoint is very clearly against the squatting, mine is not. We will have to be grown up and agree to disagree about this issue. I respect your knowledge, but your not an expert on Jamaica and neither am I. I wouldn't even claim to be an expert on the uk, and I live here.
You have a great deal of influence in others on this board, but hope others reading can see there are many sides to a situation.
Great that you have people you talk to that have a shared view, but as I said there are many other Jamaicans that have different views, there and here.
6000 people is a lot of people, I have never seen you there at any time, so clearly the place is big enough to move in different circles. Neither do I frequent the places you promote on here and hang out at.
I will politely decline your suggestion to give the people I know a message about land, I think they know more about it than you or I.
I agree with your point about some people being able to succeed no matter what their personal hurdles, but without knowing the back story of these other individuals, you can't make sweeping generalisations. That's just how I feel about it, I'm not judging anyone.
That's the end of my back and forth on this... Its like throwing a stone in a pond and watching the ripple posting on this board. I could put money on the people who 'have a jab'
As obaygirl said, the board has many opinions and experiences, which make the discussion interesting and raises all our awareness. The personal comments made to people with an opinion you don't like is cowardly, it's easy to be a d*** online.
Last edited by Westenders; 06-11-2014 at 05:35 AM.
[QUOTE=Westenders;139207]Booger I do have a strong opinion, my own though based on years of travel there and my own conversations with many people in addition to my husband, isn't that how we all learn about others experience of life?? I also work in the field of child poverty and child protection, so have my own professional opinion about why things there are like they are.
Of course my husband has an opinion, he is and will always be Jamaican and grew up in negril. So he kind of does have it figured out. What an inane point lol.
Not surprised at the personal jab, seems to be the culture of this board. So sorry I'm not a boardie clone, with different opinions. That being said I am not referring to all boardies, but it's laughable at the same few on here that will jump on the same train no matter what.
You have your own opinions, based on what? many holidays there, mixing with a small amount of Jamaicans , who will always see you as a foreigner., oh and the experiences of hanging out with boardies there!! Please don't belittle my opinions without some self reflection. Your post was pointless in the discussion of this issue. Sorry that my guru is my husband and not Rob (sarcasm intended)
Also probably unlike most of you, I don't return to a non Jamaican / possibly white world in the uk...."
More ignorance and assumptions. It's pointless to add anymore......
I do have a question though. What is white world? Please educate me.
Westenders. It seems to me, that you are very familiar with this board, its culture and its owner...... for only being registered since April 2014 and only having 38 posts. Would it be fair to assume that you were once posting under a different name?
On a side note. I do wonder why people who come on this board dedicated to tourism in Jamaica, and Negril in particular... and seem to want to puff out their chests because they consider themselves locals and not tourists. Or they say they "Live in Jamaica".. Why come to a tourist board if you are not a tourist, and seldom visit negril? Just to brag about the fact that you aren't a tourist?
I used to live in Florida full-time. We called the 3-6 monthers... Snow birds.
My family owns a house at the shore. The locals call the summer and weekend visitors (Us) Shoobies.
That's really what some of you are. Shoobies and Snowbirds. (Cough) tourists.
Which there is absolutely nothing wrong with. Just dont get it twisted. It's not a contest.
Last edited by Flipadelphia26; 06-11-2014 at 07:54 AM.
Flip,
Do you know the origin of the term "Shoobies"?
Papa.
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