wow guys...thank you for the help....i looked at matrix and a few of the more popular travel sites and could nothing from bwi but i guess i just didnt dig deep enough...i see southwest now and united out of dulles...i will check usairways next....prices from philly and charlotte are out there...i actually live closer to norfolk and the airports there but no direct flights..bwi is about 3 hours away but i love non-stop...after a cramped plane ride when i get off im staying, not waiting for another plane...dont know how people on the west coast do it....much respect for your help, mike