as long as you don't bring up the packers loss, I'd be interested.. ;-) we plan on wandering down to white sands a few of the days we are there so should have a good lay of the land by then. We leave the ice cube known as WI on sunday. Work is rough today and I'm sure tomorrow will be even worse...stay focused!! If I don't I'll come back to a giant ****show...leave the forum...get work done...you'll be there soon enough...