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    I DID read the whole thread. So much touched on here, good discussions going on. Interestingly enough, prior to reading this thread I was discussing some of these very same subjects with folks this week.

    First - and really where this all started - friendship and what it truly means. To me, a friend, a TRUE friend is a give and take, a trust, a feeling of comfort and safety around that person and of course laughing with them in the good times and crying with them in the bad. A true friend doesn't show up to your door with their hand out all the time. I am so fortunate that the Jamaican friends I have are just that - TRUE friends. Never ask me for anything. I spent time cultivating these friendships (as one does with all friendships); it doesn't happen overnight or in a week's time. I've read so much on this subject, how folks go on vacation and make these "friends", give out their home phone numbers, shower them with gifts and cash....all after knowing them perhaps for several years but only for weeks or days out of those years. A true friend is not calling you for money for their sick auntie or asking that when you come you bring them expensive kicks. A true friend is not showing up at your condo at meal times expecting to be fed, then dissapears when the food runs out. I think visitors to Jamaica really have to get a grip on who they are be-friending. As far as "business friendships" - well....I know that my friend is also a driver I use when I'm there. He's my friend when he's my friend - when he's my driver I pay him for his services. Nothing more. He comes over for dinner occassionally - he invites me to his home for dinner occassionally. GIVE AND TAKE.

    No matter who we are or what we do we as visitors are always going to be perceived as having more - if not for the simple fact that we can come and go from our home countries as we please. Bring a Jamaican visiting the US to Costco....and those perceptions are reinforced. I do believe its not just about someone observing the amount of money we spend while on vacation there but its more about the choices we have - rich or poor as US and Canadian and European residents we have MANY MORE choices than most Jamaicans have in general.


    Giving out the phone numbers I never understood and friends of mine from California did that exact thing....and were very hurt by the results (feelings, not money etc.) Here's a scenario - I live in a tourist area and do have occasion to sit and have a drink with visitors from time to time or even chat with some on the street where I live. Now - imagine me asking THEM for their phone number. Do you really think they'd give it to me? Absolutely not! And here we are, in white bread America. Not once, not ever did anyone ever offer up their phone number to me saying, "give me a call if you need anything at all" or even "next time you are in Temecula, give me a ring and we'll go for a drink." Its sounds ludicrous - cause it is.

    Interesting observation by Beach Bum and I appreciate his candor. I will say though that the Jamaicans I know are the furthest from lazy there is. Each and everyone is hard working and none of them - NONE - would ever ask anyone for a hand-out. They are proud, proud people.

    This bears repeating - the Jamaicans I know. I don't know them all obviously. But I can see where folks not spending a lot of time in a "real" community, being bombarded with beggars or with these so-called friends asking for stuff all the time might get that impression. I truly believe this is the exception - not the rule.

    I agree with Bnewb about Negril as a community. In the past ten years it has become sometimes over-the-top touristy, built-up and especially during high season, loaded with vendors and opportunists from other parts of the island. I am very fortunate to not live around that and can still hold on to the Negril I first visited in 1983 - a slower moving, less built, less touristy Negril - not to mention at times way less populated. Its all about accessibility...up until the highway was finished in MoBay Negril was still pretty darn inaccessible and it kept not only the tourist population somewhat down but also kept other folks from around the island who might want to take advantage of the rich tourists away more. The Negril of 1983, 1993, and 2000 even is a FAR different place today. This is not a good or bad thing - it just is. As someone who loves Negril and spends a significant amount of time there each year I know and accept this. It is what it is.

    I too enjoyed Miss Blue's post about how folks come together in a time of difficulty. You saw it happen after Hurricane Gilbert - I saw it happen after Hurricane Ivan - heck I saw it happen after the Loma Prieta Earthquake in San Francisco in 1989. Its more pronounced on Negril's West End since its a smaller community but we all do pull together in good times and bad.

    Look - my first reaction when I saw the title to this thread was "Why do Philadelphians find it so easy to beg?" I had just returned from the city of Brotherly Love and was approached by no fewer than five or six people for spare change and cigarettes every time I walked out of my hotel room door. "Why do folks from DC find it so easy to beg"? I was pan-handled at Washington Medical Center's cafeteria...I've been panhandled in some of the US and Canada's great cities....Toronto, Vancouver, New York, LA, San Francisco...the only place I was not panhandled was in Paris. And maybe there that was a fluke but I do believe poverty is universal - but what is not universal is each culture's safety net for their people.

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    If I may answer a question with a question please

    In response to butterfly who asked "why do jamaicans find it so easy to beg?"

    With the minimum wage only moving this year from $4,070 to $4,500 for a 40-hour work week.(In the case of industrial security guards, the minimum wage increased from $6,050 to $6,655 for a 40-hour work week.)

    Bear in mind some of the Jamaican workforce could be ( and a lot are ) one parent families and sometimes (most times) through no fault of their own.
    Those who are lucky enough to find a job may find it takes 2-3 hours to get to work and then the same home again.
    Sometimes this is a 4 cab journey (2 each way)
    They need to pay rent for their home from this wage so what properties back home can you rent/buy for a similar amount? As charges out there are pretty comparable to places such as U.S.A or U.K
    How much do you think is left over to feed their family?
    If you see any of the online menus for Negril as an example 4500ja will buy you probably 3 pizzas
    so imagine having 3 children and you buy them a pizza each> JUST ONE> just one pizza> one day in a whole week. That's it you have no rent money/ no gas/ no fare to work /no food for the week/NOTHING. You're screwed for just wanting to give your child just one little pizza and children in Jamaica want treats (if food should even be considered a treat) just as any other child in the world does and it upsets me to think that a hardworking mother or father working 40 hrs a week has to face dilemmas like this EVERY single day-pay the rent vs treat/feed the kids
    walk 2-3 hrs to work and back again to save 500j for an extra bag of rice and veg? Or get a cab and go a bit hungrier one or two nights?
    So my question is NOT why do they find it so easy to beg? BUT WHY are they begging? and is there anyway any of us can help stop the need to beg?
    and also:
    If you were the head of the household that I just described what would you do?
    be honest
    Because when you have children and you see them hungry I am pretty sure we will all beg if we have to.
    I can honestly say if I knew I was going home to a hungry house full after working my butt off for 40 hrs for THAT measly amount SURE as hell I would walk the beach on my way home and "beg" and try to top up my wage somehow anyhow knowing that I will walk past thousands of tourists with thousands of dollars spare.
    Personally I would probably not outright beg for it I would offer something in return (professional- respectful and legal may I add!)but so do many of the people in Negril.
    I guess begging to 5 tourists and getting 100ja from each of them means no 6 hr (3 there 3 back) blistering feet + swollen ankles walk to work the next day Yippee!
    Darned right I would be on that beach
    WOULDN'T YOU?
    Some are working full time and growing most of their own food and still do not have enough left to live with basic needs being met.
    This is a major problem that the government can and should address,But in the meantime all we average run of the mill tourists can do who have no voice in Jamaicas cabinet
    is to each one help one and hope for the best.
    Jamaica is a very small island compared to many countries that a lot of us here are from so if each person visiting the island helped one person living on the island then the island would be truly paradise with no reason or a need for a person to beg.
    There is a saying "if you don't ask -you don't get"
    So if you are hungry or broke and no money then I guess begging becomes an option.We are all born into different standards of living, some rich , some financially poor what one may think as an annoying bugaboo of society, begging and in ones way of a sunset view, another persons heart may go out to that person and find a genuine need they may be able to help with and some of these "beggars" do not always need cash. Some need a friend one who listens. Some people can help immensely without having to give 1 dollar if only they tried while others may fob them off as annoying beggars.
    It is all down to what is inside yourself.
    So please remember (everyone) that if all of us (tourists) just helped ONE person down there it could be a much better place
    and remember it is very easy to lose everything you have in just one moment.Even if you are a billionaire 1 stroke of bad luck/hard times you lose it so then you will rely on other peoples kindheartedness something a lot of people forget to have once they have money.
    One of the reasons why I love Jamaicans is that even when they have NOTHING they will try to help you if they can and also keep you smiling while they are at it.
    Quite simply they find it easy to beg I imagine because they have needs that are not being met, even basic needs most times (Maslows theory) My theory is=Rubbish wage-can't pay rent-hungry-kids to feed=beg a little to get by.
    Who are we to judge?That could be me or you out there never say never.

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    Well said and very true TicToc.
    ~~~love and light~~~

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    Isn't kind of ironic that (some, not all of) the people who claim that Jamaican's, as a whole, are a "kind, beautiful, sharing" people - are the same who are blasting the OP for their generalization of Jamaicans as beggers? Isn't there a bit of generalizing going on in the praising of Jamaicans, as a monolothic group, as well?

    Isn't it more truthful to say that there are good and bad Jamaicans, just like good and bad Americans, good and bad Canadians, good and bad Egyptians, etc....

    Jamaicans are simply humans like us. In many places where you find a large amount of tourists carrying cash, you are sure to find a large amount of impoverished locals who will be there to beg for some of it...With the number of beggers having an inverse correlation to the level of security in the area. Anyone been to the Wharf in San Francisco lately?

    In this case, the beggar used the phone to ask for money....this is probably because it can work. There are a lot of suckers out there.

    Personally, I won't give money or gifts to individuals.....rather I donate to organizations that I can trust to allocate those resources to the people that need it.

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    Check the small print in those organisations Muck not ALL get quite what you would like to go to the source.I like to interact directly with the source then I can be truly sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiCtOc View Post
    Check the small print in those organisations Muck not ALL get quite what you would like to go to the source.I like to interact directly with the source then I can be truly sure
    Notice that I posted that I only donate to organizations that I can TRUST. Believe me, I check the small print. I will only give money to charities that are public with their financial metrics. For example, websites like Charity Navigator.org are great resources to look up that info.

    I'm not gonna say that I've never donated "directly" with the source (ie blank notepads/pencils for a school, etc.) But I would NEVER just give $$ or gifts to a person or family unless I was VERY familiar with them. And, no way would I would ever just give money to someone I happen to meet while I was on vacation. You start giving money to people, and sometimes they condition themselves to expect it....whether from you or the next person to come along.
    Last edited by Muck; 10-03-2011 at 12:49 PM.

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    "Check the small print in those organisations Muck not ALL get quite what you would like to go to the source."
    Which organizations are you referring to? I know the ones I like to contribute to (and there are many indeed!) what I donate does go directly to the cause.

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    Just saying check the small print of any and all that is all.
    Percentages in particular.

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    To understand the original title of this thread you would have to read the entire posts. Otherwise i wouldn't have received so many negative responses. When i initially started this thread i titled it wrong, based on some issues i was trying to get opinions on. I corrected my self in a later post that stated "why do some jamaicans find it so easy to beg". Not all. I wish rob could've edited the title. I also stated in this thread the numerous times i have helped out people, without wanting anything in return. Read the entire post. I am glad i did touch on this topic because this post raised on many topics on the difference between hard working people and the opportunist that expect hand out from tourist. Maybe we, who do give can establish our genorosity in a different manner. Like donations for a worthy cause like the buy a brick project at the travelers hotel, or maybe donate to schools for books and other supplies. Each one, teach one and education is they key, the youth is the future to making jamaica a better place. Peace, blessings and prosperity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butterfly View Post
    Maybe we, who do give can establish our genorosity in a different manner.
    yep yep
    tell *them*::>> no *help* unless you FIRST show me your Jamaican voter registration certificate/card::: i.e., proof of being registered to vote
    be hapPpy

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