I've been to straight weddings, I've been to gay weddings....and guess what......they were EXACTLY THE SAME.........so why do people get their panties in a bunch when anyone mentions LGBT movement........they are just like you and I except what happens behind the bedroom door......they work, they cook, they clean, they argue, they do yard work, they go shopping, they vacation.....I do not see the big deal....if you don't believe in it, than DON'T BECOME GAY......end of story....
this is sarcasm, right?Originally Posted by Yesihunt2
Oh, how I miss you Lola.
Thanks
LOL! I'm not gay; just totally not getting where you're coming from.
I had to remove Lola's latest post. She tried her best to answer questions directly presented to her, not an easy thing to do. But, Lola, quoting "Scripture" as a basis of fact and not faith is not justifiable. Religions, by their very nature, are faith based, even the ones based on "science". Tom Cruise learned that one the hard way.
And to quote any "Scripture" as fact can only lead to a thread that would eventually get out of complete control and necessitate the removal of the entire thread. It is a safe fact to say that fighting under the banner of religion has caused more wars and killed more people than any other single reason.
And please remember Lola, history is written by the winners. Had Ben, George, Tom, Sam, Bill, John and the other "founding fathers" of the American Revolutionary War lost, you would still be speaking English but they would today be labeled as bunch of foolish rebels without a clue. Things would have been much different without the French assistance to the American side.
Getting back to the topic of this thread, I am not sure why people think Jamaica is a static country with never changing attitudes, customs or laws. In 2008, Bruce Golding famously (or infamously) said in a BBC interview that there was no place for gays in his Cabinet Ministry positions. Portia Simpson-Miller responded that the most qualified should fill the Cabinet position, regardless of their sexual orientation. And in an interview in May of 2014, then Jamaican opposition leader Andrew Holness said that, if he becomes Prime Minister (which he has), he would allow gays in his Cabinet.
Bnewb and I have both mentioned there is now an openly LGBT organization, JFLAG. JFLAG held its first Gay Pride Day in Kingston in August last year without incident. These are facts. Not faith, opinion, rumor or speculation.
I have seen many things change daily here in the last quarter century. Jamaica does not exist in a vacuum and does not pretend to exist that way.
What you may discuss with an individual on a porch or bar represents at best that individual's personal beliefs, which is similar to having a faith. That is far from being a fact but closer to an opinion.
Jamaica, as a whole, is a dynamic country and to pigeon-hole it as one static thing or another is misleading. Human life, any human life, means as much here as it does anywhere in the world. We are out of many, one people.
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How about One World? Jamaica does not believe in that concept?
When I said Jamaica does not exist in a vacuum, I should have made it clear the non existent vacuum was on one world. My fault.
It is safe to say that Jamaicans believe we all live on planet Earth or Gaia if you prefer that name.
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what I meant to suggest was that we are one world, one human, a belief that Jamaica tries to convey.....and that the attitude towards gays seems to contradict that..I actually was not reacting to any of your posts with this comment
Jamaica attitudes are changing. Just the other day in the Gleaner was an article titled, "J'cans tap gay online rental market - Misterb&b seen as opportunity to diversify income." Here is the link:
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/b...nity-diversify
Since I addressed that exact perception you mention in my post above, and your post was made directly under mine, I felt you were addressing my comments. But that doesnt change the fact that the old Jamaican "attitude" you speak of is changing rapidly.
Please read my comments relating to this perception. It should address your concerns. I posted it again below for easy access and added one final comment:
"Getting back to the topic of this thread, I am not sure why people think Jamaica is a static country with never changing attitudes, customs or laws. In 2008, Bruce Golding famously (or infamously) said in a BBC interview that there was no place for gays in his Cabinet Ministry positions. Portia Simpson-Miller responded that the most qualified should fill the Cabinet position, regardless of their sexual orientation. And in an interview in May of 2014, then Jamaican opposition leader Andrew Holness said that, if he becomes Prime Minister (which he has), he would allow gays in his Cabinet.
Bnewb and I have both mentioned there is now an openly LGBT organization, JFLAG. JFLAG held its first Gay Pride Day in Kingston in August last year without incident. These are facts. Not faith, opinion, rumor or speculation.
I have seen many things change daily here in the last quarter century. Jamaica does not exist in a vacuum and does not pretend to exist that way.
What you may discuss with an individual on a porch or bar represents at best that individual's personal beliefs, which is similar to having a faith. That is far from being a fact but closer to an opinion.
Jamaica, as a whole, is a dynamic country and to pigeon-hole it as one static thing or another is misleading. Human life, any human life, means as much here as it does anywhere in the world. We are out of many, one people."
One People, One World, One Love.
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