Just say it ain't so ????

[Bnewb]

She means she posted it early in the day, but very few comments were made. Likely because everyone is afraid to say anything, because they'll probably get scolded and their comment deleted. I think it was an apt description of the situation.

This is getting really old...damned if you do, damned if you don't!
More information and comments are allowed on Negril.com than any other Negril based website anywhere (excluding rumour and speculation and openly hostile comments...which I personally think should be challenged and/or deleted)...what more do you want!?
If you have something constructive, beneficial or helpful to add to a thread...it's always been allowed.

[Bnewb]

Very sad to hear the violence continues...Here is a link to the United States Department of State 2016 Jamaica Crime and Safety report...

https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentRe...aspx?cid=19562

Lottery Scam is mentioned as a big issue but I think this is the root of most of the problems...

Police corruption and police involvement in criminal activity is not uncommon. Citizens are often indifferent to police authority, adding to a perceived sense of lawlessness. The general perception is that the majority of crime victims do not report crimes against them due to fear of reprisals by the police, the belief that police are corrupt, or the feeling that nothing would come from such reports. Reporting crime can seem archaic, and the confusing, lengthy process is widely believed to be a waste of time except for the most serious of crimes where a police report is required for insurance purposes.

I experienced a hit and run with my rental car in Negril a couple of years ago (no injuries). I went through the process of reporting the crime (I had the licence plate number) and in hindsight I should have just continued on with my vacation because nothing came out of the report other than lost time. I guess my wife, children and I now know what Negril Police station looks (dump) and smells like (ganja) but I think we would be just fine without that memory.

I was told to stop by the police station right before I left the island to pick up the police report for the rental car company but it wasn't even started. I stopped in to the station right before driving back to Mo Bay for our flight which was three business day after the hit and run...Soon Com Mon...

I paid the $500 deductible to the rental company and never heard from Negril Police (they told me they would mail a copy)...Oh well, I learned from the experience and no longer do my own driving in Jamaica...Sit back and enjoy the ride.

It's a good article written for US Embassy employees that are relocating here. I think if one is truly interested, they should read the whole article themselves. It's quite an extensive article covering everything from where to live in Kingston, how to get around and dealing with crime.
Negrilmon, while I appreciate your research and comments...as someone living in Jamaica I find your highlighted section a bit out of context.

As for getting "things" done down here...yes, it can be difficult as everything isn't computerised (though they are working on it) and unfortunately many of the systems are still backed up in all forms of government agencies. You should definitely have received that paperwork.

And, on a slightly lighter note...the police station is currently being renovated.

[TAH]

This is getting really old...damned if you do, damned if you don't!
More information and comments are allowed on Negril.com than any other Negril based website anywhere (excluding rumour and speculation and openly hostile comments...which I personally think should be challenged and/or deleted)...what more do you want!?
If you have something constructive, beneficial or helpful to add to a thread...it's always been allowed.

What I would like is for there to be open and honest dialogue. I made a comment a few days ago on a similar thread, that was not hostile, did not contain any hearsay or rumors, and it was deleted because I mentioned Colin Lynch's murder (among many others) in a list of what I described as "recent" murders. So, if I had omitted the word "recent", would that comment have been deleted? I think the fact that I mentioned that our last couple trips have been elsewhere also contributed. But the comment was relevant, and factual. I just think you guys censor too much, and it looks bad. That's all.

edit: having said that, I do understand that you're running a tourism website, and I "get" what you're trying to balance. But my above comment stands. I think you, and everyone else would be better off if you deleted less. Just my opinion.

[Papa Georgie]

You mean... there is censoring opinions on this forum...how could that be...I don't believe it...that's crazy.
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[Bnewb]

What I would like is for there to be open and honest dialogue. I made a comment a few days ago on a similar thread, that was not hostile, did not contain any hearsay or rumors, and it was deleted because I mentioned Colin Lynch's murder (among many others) in a list of what I described as "recent" murders. So, if I had omitted the word "recent", would that comment have been deleted? I think the fact that I mentioned that our last couple trips have been elsewhere also contributed. But the comment was relevant, and factual. I just think you guys censor too much, and it looks bad. That's all.

edit: having said that, I do understand that you're running a tourism website, and I "get" what you're trying to balance. But my above comment stands. I think you, and everyone else would be better off if you deleted less. Just my opinion.

First...While I obviously have first hand knowledge about the runnings of Negril.com, you are wrong in your assumption about me having the ability to moderate or delete any post...only Rob and his staff have that ability. I am not staff!! At the moment, I'm commenting more...but I still do not have moderator status.

Second...I do know about your post being removed and I'm pretty sure Rob explained to you what happened. You got caught in the closing of a thread that was filled with complete inaccuracies and conspiracy theories. Rob was on the phone discussing it with the moderator on duty at the time and your post was made while in the process of closing the thread. Simple!
You are asking for an "open and honest dialogue", how can a thread with completely inaccurate information and conspiracy theories be open and honest and/or helpful to anyone?

Third...Not much actually gets deleted...open and honest discussions are allowed as I've already stated (excluding rumour and speculation and openly hostile comments)...but quite frankly bringing up Colin who was a friend and neighbour of ours for many years and while the loss is still fresh in our hearts...personally I don't consider this tragedy, you've stated above as being honest or accurate if you're calling it a recent event.

Fourth...Why would you mention another location? I'm going to Iceland...but why would I speak about that on Negril.com...the business name says it all!

[negrilmon]

It's a good article written for US Embassy employees that are relocating here. I think if one is truly interested, they should read the whole article themselves. It's quite an extensive article covering everything from where to live in Kingston, how to get around and dealing with crime.
Negrilmon, while I appreciate your research and comments...as someone living down, here I find your highlighted section a bit out of context.

As for getting "things" done down here...yes, it can be difficult as everything isn't computerised (though they are working on it) and unfortunately many of the systems are still backed up in all forms of government agencies. You should definitely have received that paperwork.


And, on a slightly lighter note...the police station is currently being renovated.

Hi Bnewb, the police ledger they wrote the report in was an huge old leather bound book that looked 100 years old (may have been). I'm glad to hear they are moving toward computers!

My 1st visit to Negril was in 1975 as a 10 year old (stayed at Seagrape on the Cliff's) and there was hardly any electricity available in Negril and only one pay phone down by the roundabout...Many days the phone wasn't working because it was full of coins and no more could be added to make additional calls...In 1975 at Rick's Cafe, if you ordered a drink that used the blender, the music would be impacted as the blender sucked away the energy from the stereo...I believe they used a small generator at Rick's in those days...To think that they are now moving toward computers at the police station is a huge difference from where Negril once was but I don't know if I would call it progress...I think I liked Negril back then better that today...


I'm not trying to take the comment that was highlighted out of context...Hence why I attached the full article and linked it above my highlight.

My point was that I feel police and government corruption are the primary problems in Jamaica beyond the root of all evil which is the love of money.

Jamaican Police corruption isn't a new concept to me...I recall during my visits to Negril as a teenager in the Early 1980's that my Father would give me a few $100 bill's to carry around with explicit instructions to bribe the police if I was ever accused of doing something against the law. I was told that bribing the police wasn't against the law and a much better alternative to ending up in a Jamaican jail. FYI I never had to use the money.

Unfortunately my father( Scott was his name and he was known as the man with the sick legs up on the cliffs due do his needing canes and a problem walking) has passed away. I spread his ashes off the bridge at Tensing Pen about 20 years ago so I consider Negril my home away from home and love it and most of it's people! I think I have passed that love on to my children because my Daughter and Son are now teenagers and have some great memories of Negril and they talk about them often!

Peace

[TAH]

First...While I obviously have first hand knowledge about the runnings of Negril.com, you are wrong in your assumption about me having the ability to moderate or delete any post...only Rob and his staff have that ability. I am not staff!! At the moment, I'm commenting more...but I still do not have moderator status.

Second...I do know about your post being removed and I'm pretty sure Rob explained to you what happened. You got caught in the closing of a thread that was filled with complete inaccuracies and conspiracy theories. Rob was on the phone discussing it with the moderator on duty at the time and your post was made while in the process of closing the thread. Simple!
You are asking for an "open and honest dialogue", how can a thread with completely inaccurate information and conspiracy theories be open and honest and/or helpful to anyone?

Third...Not much actually gets deleted...open and honest discussions are allowed as I've already stated (excluding rumour and speculation and openly hostile comments)...but quite frankly bringing up Colin who was a friend and neighbour of ours for many years and while the loss is still fresh in our hearts...personally I don't consider this tragedy, you've stated above as being honest or accurate if you're calling it a recent event.

Fourth...Why would you mention another location? I'm going to Iceland...but why would I speak about that on Negril.com...the business name says it all!

I will go in order.

I didn't assume that you deleted my comment, that's not what I meant. Apologies for not being clear on that.

Yes, Rob explained it to me, but I don't think you're giving an accurate representation of what that thread contained. At least not completely accurate. My post was deleted, but the thread remained until after I PM'd Rob about deleting my comment. Then the thread was closed.

About mentioning Mr Lynch; I guess we just have different definitions of "recent".

I didn't mention another location. I said, in a thread where people were discussing the possibility of tourism declining due to the violence, that our last two trips were "elsewhere". Can I not say that?

[Bnewb]

I was told that bribing the police wasn't against the law and a much better alternative to ending up in a Jamaican jail. FYI I never had to use the money.

Unfortunately my father( Scott was his name and he was known as the man with the sick legs up on the cliffs due do his needing canes and a problem walking) has passed away. I spread his ashes off the bridge at Tensing Pen about 20 years ago so I consider Negril my home away from home and love it and most of it's people! I think I have passed that love on to my children because my Daughter and Son are now teenagers and have some great memories of Negril and they talk about them often!

Peace

I'm sure most everyone knows...but just in case...it is not legal to bribe a police officer in Jamaica. Many people have been busted for bribing in the last few years, including some politicians.

Negrilmon, much respect to you and your Father...my Mother passed away a couple of years ago and I brought her ashes here to be with me in Negril ❣

[negrilmon]

Bnewb, I'm sorry to hear about your mother passing but I'm glad to hear she made it to heaven!!!!

Good point on the bribe legality...I was talking about Negril around 35 years ago and things have certainly changed...

negrilmon

[JDd]

all you kids.......................... stay out of that jello tree