Rob, what I am saying is I heard the man was just a couple feet from the ropes, not way out. While floating, I have had many of them , rush up right to the ropes, trying to get folks to rent, that was going on for a long time..... Well, this debate can go on and on, I guess I will see for myself soon enough. I just wanted to give folks a heads up of what has been reported, and ''do your thing at your own risk '' I guess applies everywhere.