Negril Beach Club Condo - Be aware !!

[Rob]

Christine,

I am sorry that you have had to deal with the robbery in your room, robberies are far from common in Negril, but they do occur.

I am also sorry that you feel that people have treated you unfair here - but when you choose to make a condemning post like the original one in this thread - that is warning people to not stay at a hotel and hint that the cause for a robbery is the security and management/owners - you are opening yourself up to have responses made that you may not like.

You left out the key facts such as that you invited your Jamaican boyfriend back to your room, that an item that was stolen was returned by the police and the latest revelation that you did indeed have a party in your room. Leaving out these key details cannot allow anyone to be truly aware of any potential issue and it is definitely not fair to the property, security, staff, management and owners. Your original post takes on an air of "getting even" with a property instead of genuinely wanting to inform people of a potential problem. Leaving out these key details does give your credibility a bit of blow.

You state that you didnt want to mention your boyfriend because you thought others might want to suggest that he may have a role to play because he is Jamaican, and that is not fair as you say "they are not all bad." Yet you suggest that the Jamaican security, Jamaican staff, Jamaican management and Jamaican owners may be to blame. It is a bit hard to believe that you didnt want people to think all Jamaicans are bad when you turn around and blame many Jamaicans instead of presenting the real facts of the situation and allowing the readers to make a truly informed decision.

You invited all these comments by making your original post and leaving out many key facts that would have changed the impression that readers would take away from the post, and had Jan not made her post, none of the readers would have known that there was more to the story than you were letting on.

I will choose to close this thread or allow to remain open based upon future comments. It will remain open as your original post was very condemning of a long time popular property and you have not been forthcoming with the facts as to allow people to determine for themselves if there is any potential problem at NBCC.

[CarrieBean]

Christine,

I am sorry that you have had to deal with the robbery in your room, robberies are far from common in Negril, but they do occur.

I am also sorry that you feel that people have treated you unfair here - but when you choose to make a condemning post like the original one in this thread - that is warning people to not stay at a hotel and hint that the cause for a robbery is the security and management/owners - you are opening yourself up to have responses made that you may not like.

You left out the key facts such as that you invited your Jamaican boyfriend back to your room, that an item that was stolen was returned by the police and the latest revelation that you did indeed have a party in your room. Leaving out these key details cannot allow anyone to be truly aware of any potential issue and it is definitely not fair to the property, security, staff, management and owners. Your original post takes on an air of "getting even" with a property instead of genuinely wanting to inform people of a potential problem. Leaving out these key details does give your credibility a bit of blow.

You state that you didnt want to mention your boyfriend because you thought others might want to suggest that he may have a role to play because he is Jamaican, and that is not fair as you say "they are not all bad." Yet you suggest that the Jamaican security, Jamaican staff, Jamaican management and Jamaican owners may be to blame. It is a bit hard to believe that you didnt want people to think all Jamaicans are bad when you turn around and blame many Jamaicans instead of presenting the real facts of the situation and allowing the readers to make a truly informed decision.

You invited all these comments by making your original post and leaving out many key facts that would have changed the impression that readers would take away from the post, and had Jan not made her post, none of the readers would have known that there was more to the story than you were letting on.

I will choose to close this thread or allow to remain open based upon future comments. It will remain open as your original post was very condemning of a long time popular property and you have not been forthcoming with the facts as to allow people to determine for themselves if there is any potential problem at NBCC.

A couple and their 9 year old child. Yeah, sounds like a wild party. And as far as blaming "Jamaican security, Jamaican staff, Jamaican management and Jamaican owners" ...what? If the staff were all Canadian/American/European, what would that change?

I understand you have a business to run and need to be faithful to your sponsors, but blaming a victim is never right. I didn't take the original poster as being vindictive at all. You know that I know how it feels to go though something like this.

And as far as everyone saying it can happen anywhere...well no chit sherlock. We don't discuss robberies from elsewhere on a Negril forum.

[Rob]

A couple and their 9 year old child. Yeah, sounds like a wild party. And as far as blaming "Jamaican security, Jamaican staff, Jamaican management and Jamaican owners" ...what? If the staff were all Canadian/American/European, what would that change?

I understand you have a business to run and need to be faithful to your sponsors, but blaming a victim is never right. I didn't take the original poster as being vindictive at all. You know that I know how it feels to go though something like this.

And as far as everyone saying it can happen anywhere...well no chit sherlock. We don't discuss robberies from elsewhere on a Negril forum.

Carrie,

In no way am I blaming the victim for what happened. Please re-read my comment. I am simply pointing out the realities that happen when someone makes a post claiming to be a warning to others of a problem and then they leave out key details. When these key details come to light, it can raise credibility issues in the readers minds. That is simply human nature. And this loss of credibility can alter the perceptions as to why the post was made in the first place.

I know that you went through a robbery as we were both with you after it occurred. Being robbed sucks bigtime - but adding more innocent victims to the situation by insinuating the security, staff, management and owners had something to do with it without any proof and leaving out key details that do point to other equally plausible explanations is not fair to anyone. Your situation was a completely different scenario than Chrstine's.

As for mentioning the Jamaican security, staff, etc. I did so since Christine explained the reason she didnt want to mention her boyfriend staying in the room was so no one would blame him since he was Jamaican. It does seem odd that in order not to have him blamed since he was a Jamaican that she would blame many other Jamaicans instead. This can also lead to a blow to her credibility which again can make some readers view her original post something more than a genuine warning for others.

[CarrieBean]

Carrie,

In no way am I blaming the victim for what happened. Please re-read my comment. I am simply pointing out the realities that happen when someone makes a post claiming to be a warning to others of a problem and then they leave out key details. When these key details come to light, it can raise credibility issues in the readers minds. That is simply human nature. And this loss of credibility can alter the perceptions as to why the post was made in the first place.

I know that you went through a robbery as we were both with you after it occurred. Being robbed sucks bigtime - but adding more innocent victims to the situation by insinuating the security, staff, management and owners had something to do with it without any proof and leaving out key details that do point to other equally plausible explanations is not fair to anyone. Your situation was a completely different scenario than Chrstine's.

As for mentioning the Jamaican security, staff, etc. I did so since Christine explained the reason she didnt want to mention her boyfriend staying in the room was so no one would blame him since he was Jamaican. It does seem odd that in order not to have him blamed since he was a Jamaican that she would blame many other Jamaicans instead. This can also lead to a blow to her credibility which again can make some readers view her original post something more than a genuine warning for others.

I'm sure you can understand why it would strike a nerve with me.

I suppose it depends on how you look at it. You see it as blaming other Jamaicans. I see it as blaming Staff. The staff could have been any nationality. I don't know who works there. I've never met Jean, and like I said I have heard nothing but good about her, but it sounds like she needs to fix her locks and security. Maybe this is a good thing in that she'll realize she needs to do that.

[Bnewb]

I suppose it depends on how you look at it. You see it as blaming other Jamaicans. I see it as blaming Staff. The staff could have been any nationality

It was Christine that brought up the point about not wanting a Jamaican to be blamed...but then turned around & blamed staff and owners that are Jamaican!! I read contradiction...which leads to a credibility issue...which has obviously happened to many readers & posters in this thread.

[CarrieBean]

It was Christine that brought up the point about not wanting a Jamaican to be blamed...but then turned around & blamed staff and owners that are Jamaican!! I read contradiction...which leads to a credibility issue...which has obviously happened to many readers & posters in this thread.

My point was that when you're in Jamaica, there's a good chance the staff will be Jamaican. Like I said, some will always pick at anything to blame the victim.

[Marko]

My point was that when you're in Jamaica, there's a good chance the staff will be Jamaican. Like I said, some will always pick at anything to blame the victim.

Are you the same person that came on this site and talkie about an incident you had at Mirage?

Cool Runnings, Marko

[Christine]

[QUOTE=Rob;19548]Christine,

You state that you didnt want to mention your boyfriend because you thought others might want to suggest that he may have a role to play because he is Jamaican, and that is not fair as you say "they are not all bad." Yet you suggest that the Jamaican security, Jamaican staff, Jamaican management and Jamaican owners may be to blame. It is a bit hard to believe that you didnt want people to think all Jamaicans are bad when you turn around and blame many Jamaicans instead of presenting the real facts of the situation and allowing the readers to make a truly informed decision.


Rob,

As i wrote down this am, it was not a PARTY, it was a simple dinner. For me a party and a dinner are different. So please don't mess my words.

You mentionned ''Yet you suggest that the Jamaican security, Jamaican staff, Jamaican management and Jamaican owners may be to blame''. What i wrote is that i had DOUBTS about the JAMAICAN MANAGEMENT and not all the people you mention such has Jamaican staff, i never mentionned those people. I did also write down that Mrs. Gaynair has been cool when we chatted together. So what i mean is yes there are not all bad people in Jamaica it's like any people in the world. Good people and bad people. That was my meaning.

Don't mess up with my words.

So the basic fact is that i've been robbed, i will never know from who. The other fact is that an hotel has to have doors secured lock on them before renting a room.

You see, you make me feel as i am the bad person and i'm the victim here.

[Rob]

Rob,

As i wrote down this am, it was not a PARTY, it was a simple dinner. For me a party and a dinner are different. So please don't mess my words.

You mentionned ''Yet you suggest that the Jamaican security, Jamaican staff, Jamaican management and Jamaican owners may be to blame''. What i wrote is that i had DOUBTS about the JAMAICAN MANAGEMENT and not all the people you mention such has Jamaican staff, i never mentionned those people. I did also write down that Mrs. Gaynair has been cool when we chatted together. So what i mean is yes there are not all bad people in Jamaica it's like any people in the world. Good people and bad people. That was my meaning.

Don't mess up with my words.

So the basic fact is that i've been robbed, i will never know from who. The other fact is that an hotel has to have doors secured lock on them before renting a room.

You see, you make me feel as i am the bad person and i'm the victim here.

Christine,

You have been the victim of a crime. No one has been disputing that. It is a terrible thing to go through. After being a victim of a crime, you have chosen to use this forum to make a condemning post about the NBCC and directly making a suggestion that you feel that security may have had something to do with it. You made this condemning post without stating some key details in the story, leaving out facts that would suggest that someone other than security had something to do with it. It wasnt until one poster suggested to you that you are not being forthcoming with all the pertinent details and another poster directly mentions that you had a boyfriend in the room with you, did you finally allow everyone to know this critical bit of information.

Leaving out such key details when making such a condemning post is not fair to anyone; the property, the staff, the owners of the property or the readers here on Negril.com. With these omissions you created more victims including the security staff that you made reference to without any proof in your original post. You are a victim of a crime yes, but by leaving out the true facts in your original post you created other, new victims. This is your own doing and you are not a victim regarding this thread - you created these victims by unfairly accusing others and not letting everyone know key details that did not support your accusations.

As for the word "party", another poster used the word "party" as was described to them by a source in Negril who witnessed the dinner/party. I was simply using the word that the poster used since you had not been forthcoming with that information as you didnt about your boyfriend who stayed in your room.

About Mrs. Gaynair, you didnt state in your first post that everything was cool but that "the manager of my room Mrs. Gaynair only gave me 100.00us for compensation." This is far from sounding like everything was cool and does not put Mrs. Gaynair in a good light. Because you wrote about her being cool later does not change the content of your original condemning post.

I agree that a hotel should have secure working locks on their doors. But if I choose to stay in a room without a properly working lock and had stuff stolen, I sure as heck would not come on the internet and condemn the hotel for my lack of due diligence in not demanding a different room.

You are a victim of a crime and that is unfortunate to say the least. But regarding this thread, you created victims of others by omitting important details that would obviously not support your suggestion that the security staff had something to do with the robbery. Just because you are victim of a crime does not give you the right to create new, equally innocent victims.