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    Quote Originally Posted by Jambarney View Post
    my choice but my employer was pretty pushy about the vaccines.
    Jamb, I'm guessing Badnaz had to twist your arm!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jambarney View Post
    Quick question , if the masks and vaccines and lockdowns are working so well , then why are we still at this point nearly 2 YEARS later?
    Because some places, like Jamaica, the vaccine is not readily available. And in places where the vaccines are readily available, not everyone is smart like you and has been vaccinated -- and even in those places, the unvaccinated tend to hang out unmasked in clusters and communities of the unmasked and then unvaccinated and that's NOT the same as a homogenous mix (that's often assumed when "herd immunity" is mentioned).

    Quote Originally Posted by Jambarney View Post
    It's fine if you still believe the masks are an effective strategy, go ahead and wear it if it makes you feel comfortable , but why be so aggressive about it or to someone that might have a differing view point or just raises a question?
    Because, like second hand smoke, what people do around me affects MY health. When I see someone unmasked in a place where distancing is not possible, I have to assume (for my safety and that of my family and my co-workers, etc.) that that the umasked person doesn't care about others and is probably unvaccinated as well, and probably hangs out with other unvaccinated and unmasked people. Many of those assumptions are probably wrong more often than not -- but I have no choice. I wear a mask more as a courtesy for others than I do to protect myself. The "others" include staff -- some of whom may have family too young to be vaccinated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jambarney View Post
    It's to the point you can't have a different opinion without being chastised , name called
    I try not to name call -- notice I use "unvaccinated" instead of the terms that I normally use in conversation.

    People ARE entitled to their own opinions. People ARE NOT entitled to their own science.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jambarney View Post
    Or to put it bluntly as many others seem to do , if you want to wear a mask cool do your thing but don't get in my face about it. You do you and I'll do me.
    Bluntly:

    If you don't want to wear a mask, you should stay away from others.

    If you don't want to wear a mask, don't go to places that require them. Much like wearing a shirt and shoes in an establishment with a sign that says "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service".

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    The government may have a hard time "calling back" some of the doctors. Please read the full article from the Observer yesterday for whole story...

    Doctors Depart

    More than half of the 143 doctors who were last month left jobless after their contracts with State-run facilities were not renewed have moved on to brighter prospects, even as the Government — now faced with caseloads which outmatch manpower — says it is heading to Cabinet to get approval to create more posts.

    Jamaica Medical Doctors Association (JMDA) President Dr Mindi Fitz-Henley told the Jamaica Observer yesterday that a number of the axed medics have left the country, others have found jobs outside of the public sector, while some were taken back by the Government. She said only 52 doctors of the 143 still remain unemployed.


    https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/fron...dispute_228490
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    Wow that is not good news for the Doctor situation in JA … I hope something can be done to improve that … I wished their was more balanced messaging on this also .. If you catch this get treatment early don’t wait especially elderly or underlying conditions..
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    I can only assume you have lost no one to this very real, world wide, pandemic. In which case you are very lucky. Many of us are not so lucky. You will probably not enjoy the protocols put in place by the Jamaican Health Ministry. They are based on a balance of science (you know Fauci like) and the needs of the Jamaican people. We have visited 3 times since the pandemic began and each time have been extremely impressed with how hard everyone worked to keep tourists safe. Unless more people will vaccinate this is never going away and Jamaica as we know it can’t survive. And yes everyone is tired of Covid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumlover View Post
    I can only assume you have lost no one to this very real, world wide, pandemic. In which case you are very lucky. Many of us are not so lucky. You will probably not enjoy the protocols put in place by the Jamaican Health Ministry. They are based on a balance of science (you know Fauci like) and the needs of the Jamaican people. We have visited 3 times since the pandemic began and each time have been extremely impressed with how hard everyone worked to keep tourists safe. Unless more people will vaccinate this is never going away and Jamaica as we know it can’t survive. And yes everyone is tired of Covid!
    I think you can be fully vaccinated and compliant with all the protocols but still be in disagreement. In my opinion the strict mandates that are required for the vaccinated now will make people think twice about getting it. But that’s just my opinion. The Jamaican people are desperate for normalcy as the protocols are affecting them economically and emotionally. I understand the reason for having them but like I said before there is a breaking point.

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    I want to step in for a moment.... is not every life equally important?

    I am not taking sides because this pandemic infects random people, and that is truly scary.

    But the ASS U ME seems to be taking over. How does anyone know that LAX hasn't known someone who died from Covid? That is a bad ASS UMPTION to make.

    Billions, if not trillions have been spent fighting Covid. Over four million people have died. Every single death is tragic. Many preventable.

    But as a sobering figure, according to United Nations, 10,000 children die of starvation every day. Every single day. That is over 6 million children who have died during the same time period from simply a lack of food. One million dollars would have saved millions of them, a billion would have saved them all.

    I am 61 with underlying conditions. I care about everyone who has contracted Covid. But I am deeply disturbed and disgusted that the media never mentions that we could save more people than who have died from Covid with simple milk and rice. No need for a warp speed vaccine, just distributing milk and rice.

    Food for thought....
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    Rob-

    I can only hope that you will not be asked to move from Negril now that you posted that! I am not a virus denier. I am fully vaccinated and wear a mask where and when required. EVERYONE knows someone that died of covid. It has killed over 600,000 people in the US out of 36,300,000 recorded cases. You can succumb to the fear mongering that is being shoved down our throats and live in fear or, you can actually follow the science that is out there for all to see and make informed decisions based on your own risk assessment. Of course, if you dare to say something out loud, the folks that have caved to the fear mongering will accuse you of all kinds of things. God forbid someone have a dissenting opinion in today's world. Speaking of Dr Fauci, did anyone hear the answer when he was asked if masks would have long term negative effects on children? His answer was, "we hope not." Thanks Dr Fauci, we all feel better now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lax1724 View Post
    Rob-

    I can only hope that you will not be asked to move from Negril now that you posted that! I am not a virus denier. I am fully vaccinated and wear a mask where and when required. EVERYONE knows someone that died of covid. It has killed over 600,000 people in the US out of 36,300,000 recorded cases. You can succumb to the fear mongering that is being shoved down our throats and live in fear or, you can actually follow the science that is out there for all to see and make informed decisions based on your own risk assessment. Of course, if you dare to say something out loud, the folks that have caved to the fear mongering will accuse you of all kinds of things. God forbid someone have a dissenting opinion in today's world. Speaking of Dr Fauci, did anyone hear the answer when he was asked if masks would have long term negative effects on children? His answer was, "we hope not." Thanks Dr Fauci, we all feel better now.
    Omg I know.! For developmentally delayed children especially it is debilitating. I feel so bad for my children but like you i comply. I think unless you have small children it’s hard to understand. I have worked with my 4 year old for more than a year to get her adapted to mask wearing. She’s a pro now but I’m worried that at some point she’ll get fed up and stop wearing it then all hell will break loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    Billions, if not trillions have been spent fighting Covid. Over four million people have died. Every single death is tragic. Many preventable.

    But as a sobering figure, according to United Nations, 10,000 children die of starvation every day. Every single day. That is over 6 million children who have died during the same time period from simply a lack of food. One million dollars would have saved millions of them, a billion would have saved them all.

    I am 61 with underlying conditions. I care about everyone who has contracted Covid. But I am deeply disturbed and disgusted that the media never mentions that we could save more people than who have died from Covid with simple milk and rice. No need for a warp speed vaccine, just distributing milk and rice.

    Food for thought....
    Absolutely agree. Unfortunately the people with the money decide what's important enough to spend the money (resources on).

    Also, unfortunately, the pandemic is occurring at the same time as the starvation (which is mostly due to anthropogenic climate change). Sadly, the eye-opening UN report from a couple days ago has already disappeared from the headlines.

    We do have the ability to do things in parallel -- it doesn't have to be either/or. "The Vaccine" is the proven answer for the COVID issue, but Unfortunately some countries are now going to start giving out booster (3rd) doses of vaccine before much of the world (including Jamaica) even has their first dose.

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