Yeah ask about 25 years ago. Ted says there was hardly anything on the cliffs, only bush. Road was worse than it is now, if that's possible. On the beach part he said there weren't as many places which allowed him to capture land and put up a craft place, until the authorities tore it down, then he'd move somewhere else on the beach. Did that for years. Then he moved into the craft market over 10 years ago, but just recently moved his wares to our home in the hills. He actually makes more now than he did in the market. Other vendors would be too agressive at the market and stop the tourists from getting down to his booth. Sometimes he didn't sell anything for weeks and with his overhead, he finally gave it up.