Quote Originally Posted by Beebeluv View Post
Help where you can and stop over analyzing a situation you cant change.
If I was sitting there on vacation I'd agree to stop analyzing it, I analyze most situations to come to the best conclusion I can, it's silly to stop questioning why things are around, otherwise it just leads to a bad outcome.

Quote Originally Posted by Beebeluv View Post
Only factor you have control over is that "extra" tip. which isnt an extra tip but pepole are very close minded and dont look at it from the other side of the fence.
How am I supposed to look at it from the other side of the fence if we're not allowed to analyze it? Or better yet how are we supposed to look at it from the other side when the other side just says to chill and says it's the way it is.

Quote Originally Posted by Beebeluv View Post
I agree that this is a pointless point to be debating.
Pointless to you maybe, but to many of us that want to understand why things are the way they are and to actually make things better then it's far from pointless.

Quote Originally Posted by Beebeluv View Post
It was done for the beautiful pepole of Jamaica the place you all love to visit you spend thousands getting there and staying there but a tip is the kicker
That's a weak argument, there are beautiful people everywhere, that doesn't mean you nickle and dime tourists visiting you after they've already spent thousands getting and staying there.

Quote Originally Posted by Beebeluv View Post
the entitlement some pepole feel they have in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY.
It's not entitlement to want to know why things are set up the way they are, it's not entitlement to want to know whether the people working there actually get the money from a service charge, and it's definitely not entitlement to want to pay the right amount without overspending.

It IS entitlement to expect tourists to shell out simply because they are spending their money already.

Quote Originally Posted by Beebeluv View Post
SO to sum this up no matter if theres a service charge or not if you like the "face" (the pepole you see) service, tip that person what you can...
I'll tip based on the service received, and I will factor in a service charge given that it IS double dipping not triple dipping if you're charging me for the food(which includes overhead/salaries)+ a service charge(paying for staff)+a Tip(paying for staff again).

Quote Originally Posted by Beebeluv View Post
unless you say something insulting when you give it to them like" you need this more than me" or something horrid like that
There is a difference between questioning the status quo and insulting the workers. Believe it or not I have worked and do work in the service industry, that doesn't mean I'm "entitled" to make a certain amount.

Quote Originally Posted by Beebeluv View Post
whats the point of worring on a vacation... you might as well have stayed home
Who said I worry on a vacation? There is a difference between posting on internet forums and debating the merits of things like service charges, and being ON vacation.

I do as the Romans do while in Rome, that doesn't mean I don't want to know as much as possible about the culture and where MY money IS going and where it IS NOT going.

I learn as much about businesses as I can but I'm not going to sit in a store and start blasting a business owner on how he should operate(unless he's paying me a consulting fee).