thanks booger for the suggestions... we walked to LTU before I posted...11pm and only 2-3 people there...the night before we walked past LTU and was stopped by the police, telling us not safe to walk up there at night, to go back to catcha and walk in the daylight...then was just walking around catcha and the security said it might be best to check out the place in morning....wait, I am 50 and just want to continue the explorations....it isn't just the parties that we go to, wife and I like to walk, and like the interactions on the beach, to a point of course....nothing better than sitting on the beach chair, enjoying the sounds, the people, and of course the subs.....doesn't matter to me day or night, just enjoy the beach...