I'll try for the 4th time later tonight.. Been busy since I got back.. Undoubtedly this board helped me.. But I missed the warning about my Gardner hanging out around the roundabout.. At first I thought it might have been because I was talking to the Gardner.. Then he asked me for money and I knew it wasn't him.. The next time it happened I just said oh yeah?? Where at?? He got lucky with "the west end"