Controversial...yes?

[Seveen]

i have seen and heard more "stuff" then i want to remember

but the male "marketing" process is different and it works

i think the males get continued Western Union, houses built, babies

the women get paid and go on to the next "thing"

i know a few Jamaica women that married Americans and came to the states --- they stay married -- for the most part

a lot of the men (not all) --- set their alarm clock for 5 years (citizenship in the USA) and bye buh

[kaycee]

Coincidentally Last week two scenes upset us. One was a large large women being berated by her much younger. Jamaican companion at a restaurant. The next was an observation of an inter action between a young young pretty Jamaican girl and a middle aged Italian tourist. The girl was being coached by a older Jam girl and a Jam man. She would be told something by them and then cozy up to the tourist or say something to him. There was obviously a language barrier. I do agree that having a party girl or rentarasta should not necessarily be celebrated or cheered and although they may be consenting adults (barely adults) there are victims.

This reminds me of a teenage jamaican girl (16) being slobbed down by a much older white male. She looked like she was scared. Some passerby intervened and she basically told them to fu#k off and mind their business.

[poolguywindsor]

I have too much to say, but choose to say nothing!

[KCJazznBBQ]

After reading an article like this, I read the comments and some are HILARIOUS!

Here's one from the perspective of the male "seller" speaking of older women - "They don't yell, they don't tell, they don't swell and they're grateful as hell....." CRACKING UP OVER HERE!

All jokes aside though, Caribbean men don't like condoms so that should deter ANY woman from sleeping with them REGARDLESS of the circumstance. You just might come home with a "souvenir" you can't get rid of. Not worth it.

If you're in Negril,

On vacation alone,

Feeling like you gotta have it,

Don't forget to pack "The Rabbit."

LOLOLOLOL!

[Big_frank]

The thing that blows my mind is, the older, white, hose-hounds actually fall for the praise that is ladled on like molasses.

Then, they send money to their 'boyfriends' from foreign, anticipating more 'romance' when they can save up enough money to return to the island.

I think men tend to be more realistic in their dealings with prostitutes in paradise.
For men it's a transaction. For women it's based on lies and deception.

[Beebeluv]

I think they know in the back of their heads that something is up(women that get propositioned) they just don't want to admit it... I would not be surprised if i was "hit" up by a beach boy because i'm a bigger girl... but honestly I would tell them I don't need a W###re... lol see how the beach boys like that! lol I better be out of reach tho when i do just in case one swings I can dodge it and swing back cuz I'll fight a man...lol haha especially a gigolo... that just uses women... but on a serious note... I could see a broken down older woman falling for something like this out of hope and thats sad. Use your brain is all I can say to them not your heart that is already broken.

[Rob]

This is a topic that has been on the Negril Message Board pretty much since its inception in 1997. Negril.com was 2 years old at the time and the topic came on the Board from nearly its first day.

Before moving here, I looked at the older tourist men taking advantage of young Jamaican female adults as painfully regrettable if not abhorrent, as I still do. I have never thought of it merely as a case of "two consenting adults", because obviously one party was using their vast economic differences to make the much younger, disadvantaged woman do what they wanted. When the man was twice their age, 20 to 45 years older than their "date", it felt to me to be nearly a form of sexual predator behaviour.

After I moved here and started Negril.com, I would run into older women who asked me about their "friend" who they had been "dating" on their vacations to Negril. They would wonder if the "friend" was trust worthy, honest and essentially a good person and wanted me to clue them in to the truth.

I would often ask them a few questions. If you met him on the beach during the day and he had all the time in world to be with you on your vacation, do you think he has a real job? How many actual hours have you spent with them, not the number of years you have known them, but the actual number of physical hours have you been in the company of one another? Do you find yourself spending more money than you anticipated in this "relationship"?

I thought these few simple questions would help to open their eyes to the truth, but in every case it backfired on me. The women were looking for confirmation not the truth. Most stopped talking to me. But one case did come back to me full circle.

As Seveen stated, nearly like clockwork one women came back to me 5 years later to say she should have listened to me. After marrying her "friend" and getting him to the US of A, he got his citizenship and disappeared. She asked me how she could have been so stupid. Thankfully, I did not respond to that question... (grin)

Dash brings up a good point how the article Bnewb posted has opened his eyes. I hope it opens more eyes to the reality. I felt the same way as Dash years ago.

In the article it is noted that the women dont think of themselves as "sex tourists" and seem to like the term "romance tourists" better. But calling it something different doesnt change the truth of the situation.

In the article, the author quotes a long time visitor to Negril, "Dawn" as follows:

"'I used to think Derrick was respectful of me and really loved me, until I heard him laughing with the other boys one night. It turned my blood cold.’

Dawn met Derrick on her first trip to Negril in 2006 and has since returned twice a year to spend time with him. Derrick is now 27 and Dawn is 30 years older than him.

‘I fell head over heels with him when we first met and he couldn’t get enough of me, but I’m not daft,’ she says.

‘I knew he was as keen on my money as he was on me but they have nothing here and live like paupers.’"

Let's take a second to look at this scenario. The article was written in 2013. Dawn met Derrick in 2006. That is 7 years ago, so Derrick was 19 or 20 at best when they met. Dawn is 30 years older than Derrick so she was about 50 when they met.

As I mentioned, when I see a 50 year old man who is a tourist with a 20 year old female with no money, no car, no home, I dont see consenting adults. And now, after 20 years of living here and seeing the article play out time and time again, I view a 50 year old female tourist with a 20 year old Jamaican man in the same light.

Another article from January makes this slightly different case and adds some more light on the issue. Here is a quote from ABC Australia in reference to the Bali "romance tourism":

"They treat you like a queen. They make you feel like a woman, someone young and beautiful, not an old-age pensioner. It's all about sex and fun - they're handsome, attentive young men who are full of life. When I get bored I can send them away. I'm the one in control and they accept the rules I make."

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4476716.html

When one party is in full control of the relationship - is it actually consentual, or for the disadvantaged is it simply a means of getting by?

And the author notes the increase in "romance tourism" marketing and wonders:

"So how much longer are we going to continue excoriating all those Rons for the kind of behaviour we condone and even celebrate when Rhondas engage in it?"

[original spanky]

has anyone ever heard of the website. sugardaddy.com ? same thing

[MissBlue]

i'm astonished that this is still spoken of, reported on, etc. as if it's something shocking, or new, or unique to Jamaica or the Caribbean -- gigolos are as old as the hills.... although 'sex tourism' (or 'romance tourism' as this author uses) is the newest name for it, this is the same old story that's been going on for decades, over many generations. Happens all over the world, although the gigolos in Italy, France, and Greece have elevated it to legendary levels and have come to be somewhat of a romanticized cliche -- movies have been made about them.

not saying i think it's right, nor do i feel it's necessarily consentual... my personal feelings about it are in line with Rob's as he mentions above- I.E. the playing field is, most times, not level. And no matter how 'consenting' people make it out to be, there is an element of desperation and exploitation that creeps in no matter how you slice it -- but nonetheless what goes on in JA and the Caribbean is only a relative newcomer to this well-known, commonly practiced game.

[tfw73]

Good points, Rob.