I had to remove Lola's latest post. She tried her best to answer questions directly presented to her, not an easy thing to do. But, Lola, quoting "Scripture" as a basis of fact and not faith is not justifiable. Religions, by their very nature, are faith based, even the ones based on "science". Tom Cruise learned that one the hard way.

And to quote any "Scripture" as fact can only lead to a thread that would eventually get out of complete control and necessitate the removal of the entire thread. It is a safe fact to say that fighting under the banner of religion has caused more wars and killed more people than any other single reason.

And please remember Lola, history is written by the winners. Had Ben, George, Tom, Sam, Bill, John and the other "founding fathers" of the American Revolutionary War lost, you would still be speaking English but they would today be labeled as bunch of foolish rebels without a clue. Things would have been much different without the French assistance to the American side.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, I am not sure why people think Jamaica is a static country with never changing attitudes, customs or laws. In 2008, Bruce Golding famously (or infamously) said in a BBC interview that there was no place for gays in his Cabinet Ministry positions. Portia Simpson-Miller responded that the most qualified should fill the Cabinet position, regardless of their sexual orientation. And in an interview in May of 2014, then Jamaican opposition leader Andrew Holness said that, if he becomes Prime Minister (which he has), he would allow gays in his Cabinet.

Bnewb and I have both mentioned there is now an openly LGBT organization, JFLAG. JFLAG held its first Gay Pride Day in Kingston in August last year without incident. These are facts. Not faith, opinion, rumor or speculation.

I have seen many things change daily here in the last quarter century. Jamaica does not exist in a vacuum and does not pretend to exist that way.

What you may discuss with an individual on a porch or bar represents at best that individual's personal beliefs, which is similar to having a faith. That is far from being a fact but closer to an opinion.

Jamaica, as a whole, is a dynamic country and to pigeon-hole it as one static thing or another is misleading. Human life, any human life, means as much here as it does anywhere in the world. We are out of many, one people.